Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall

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Well, I know you people think I'm obsessed/fanatical with jazz[and I am, but, that's beside the point:)] and would say this about most any jazz recording that I like: But, I shit you not, this Monk w/Trane cd is the schnitzel, cat's meow, the bomb, etc. The music is beautifully performed, the group is "on," and the sound quality is superb[squeaks and all]. Trane exhibits virtuosity to boot. It must have been a glorious night at Carnegie Hall that night in 1957.
 

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the lineup? yeah. Rollins fresh off the untimely passing of Clifford Brown.

Dizzy Gillespie's big band. Baker, Billie, Ray. Incredible.



But yeah. the Monk/Trane recording.
Monk's changes really challenged Trane. Not that coming off smack was easy, either. Giant Steps came after his work with Monk, and then he went the complete other way with the modals. Which built Kind of Blue. Of which I really don't give Miles that much credit.

Anyway, I think that version of Monk's Mood is exactly how you back Trane. Those arpeggi, for instance. Which is how I loved Ellington backing him. Not to take away from McCoy Tyner, of course, but you really can't compare.

Evidence just doesn't hook enough. It's got all the ingredients, but it just doesn't have that Monk feel. Crepescule With Nellie immediately sounds like Monk, and I love the false building he does around the one minute mark. It's funny to hear these songs, considering we'd be in the middle of hard bop and the cool stuff, in 57, and yet with the greatest living sax player at the time being the centerpiece, it takes two minutes of a five minute song to get past the head and into the solo. Hell, it doesn't sound like improv in this one.

in Nutty, that's the Trane we know. He starts to swing a few bars and then he just takes off, adding a few long phrases the way Miles plays nothing, but saying a lot more. Love having Monk solo after him here, and he's very melodic in that solo. Can't be all that easy considering how choppy he plays/thinks/expresses.

Epistrophy - this is a different arrangement from what I remember. That's what, a samba beat thrown in at the beginning? killer solo, regardless.
Sweet and Lovely here is clear, and it sounds like the tapers were able to pick up the bass a bit more on the ballads. It's nice to hear John (eventually) slowing it down some here and speaking more lyrically, and then they pull it back up again on you to good results.
They went through Blue Monk a bit fast, but it works. It's a masterpiece, especially love the solo between, say 3:04 and when he gives way at 3:57.



anyone who doesn't know, this was a recording only found recently.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4946796http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4949427
 
Anyway, I think that version of Monk's Mood is exactly how you back Trane
:agreed: All of these tunes have been recorded numerous times, but I think this version of MM is the best of all.
Anyhow, I can't rave enough on the quality of the acoustics and pick up/recording of the sound, particularly the piano and tenor; just great for any era, and this was 1957.
I do have one complaint that could be considered blasphemous. Trane uses too much sheer speed, IMHO. Although, I hear the ideas, etc. and the speed is fine from a virtuosity standpoint. I just think he could of accomplished more by slowing it down a bit and using more timing. gasp But, damn if double-timing a chorus at circa 120 BPM ain't impressive.
 
yeah, I got that feeling as well. He wanted to tear through it all, but that's how he was at that point in his life. I think he was trying to force the music so far in a direction that it started to become tired, which was why he exploded like he did when he started using the modals.
 
jazzbluescat said:
Anyhow, I can't rave enough on the quality of the acoustics and pick up/recording of the sound, particularly the piano and tenor; just great for any era, and this was 1957.

to both you and mags, since you both seem to know a shit load more about this than I do....
Just bought this disc today and listened tonite.....and as - compared to you two- a jazz "newbie" .....
oh.. my...god.....

this disc is un...fucking...believeable. I cant believe this quality of a recording from 1957. I have some speakers with horn tweeters and Coltrane just fucking does really well thru those..

I gotta get me some more Monk too. Gimme the "definitive" titles that I must have.

Thanks jazzbluecat. i totally love this disc.
 
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HPCatFan said:
to both you and mags, since you both seem to know a shit load more about this than I do....
Just bought this disc today and listened tonite.....and as - compared to you two- a jazz "newbie" .....
oh.. my...god.....

this disc is un...fucking...believeable. I cant believe this quality of a recording from 1957. I have some speakers with horn tweeters and Coltrane just fucking does really well thru those..

I gotta get me some more Monk too. Gimme the "definitive" titles that I must have.

Thanks jazzbluecat. i totally love this disc.
Well, thank you HPCatFan, that's most kind of you to say.
I may be a bit biased, but I've not heard a Monk recording that I didn't like. [There is a very poorly recorded one w/Trane. The music's great, but the crowd noise overwelms, making it very, very difficult to hear.]
Anyhow, this one will freak you: THELONIOUS MONK with JOHN COLTRANE. It's a studio recording with a different group; then there's THELONIOUS MONK/SONNY ROLLINS(on Prestige).

BTW, both Monk and Trane were born in NC. :twocents:
 
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yeah I think Monk was born in Rockingham or Hamlet. Or maybe that was Coltrane...Thanks for the disc tips, I'll check those out.
 
Coltrane - Hamlet. Monk - Rocky Mount
(Gillespie - Cheraw, SC)

Monk's Mood was his first "major label" release, after a ton of really good records I've never heard that were minor labels.
W/ Coltrane is great stuff, and I don't know that I've heard the w/ Rollins but Sonny is a bad ass horn player as well. Brilliant Corners is a good album; features Rollins, Clark Terry, Max Roach, and IMO two of the biggest bassmen of jazz, Oscar Pettitford and Paul Chambers. Roach is, IMO, the elite drummer of jazz (his quintet work with Rollins and trumpeter Clifford Brown features, IMO, the best solo work ever done in one place).
 

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