The Other Safeties

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Chances are, most everyone here looked up and learned Landry and Nelson whether they'd seen them play or not (and chances are, not). Over the past three months, it's been pretty clear that Weddle, Merriwether, and Griffin are the next three.

To a point it falls off from there - and nobody's talking about most of these guys. So let's get on that. There's no real consensus from there on, so here are a few prospects I'd expect to go around the first day and into the 4th.

John Wendling, S, Wyoming - 6'1, 222
Combine - 4.48 40, 4.16 shuttle (4th in DBs), 38.5' vert, 22 bench

first, there's this video of him clearing a 66" hurdle:



Wendling's a workout warrior from a smaller division - he hasn't shown the type instincts to be a true playmaker. His flaws are correctable, though. He isn't and won't be the Troy Polamalu type playmaker, but will be better in coverage, and be an asset. Because of his size, will be a strong safety. Isn't getting the "might have to move to OLB because of range/speed concerns" type criticism. Could theoretically do it, but if he can play at safety, should.

Marvin White, TCU - 6'1, 200
aggressive, hard working motor type player who's rising. JUCO all american with two years at TCU. Average athletically but good closing on the ball and playing the ball in the air, good tackler,

Aaron Rouse, Virginia Tech - 6'4, 220, 4.52, 16 bench
Fast straight line SS without as great of change-of-direction skills. Might fit as a nickel LB for a year while a team decides if he's a safety or a LB, which makes the pick riskier. There are a lot of comparisons here to Thomas Davis, but they're not the same player. Nonetheless, they're both guys who moved from LB to S and back, aggressive, and tweeners.

Josh Gattis, Wake Forest - 6'1, 205
4.5 40; 11.24 60-shuttle was 5th fastest; 4.27 short shuttle, 22 bench
Gattis is the hometown hero, and I tend to devalue that (see "Chris Leak needs to become a Panther" threads around the first of the year). But Gattis has athleticism greater than where he'll inevitably go, works hard, and he'll be the top S on the board at some point that's not a 220 lb behemoth. Like White, I believe he'll end up going higher than most assume, because he has more prototype size. He lacks top instincts but has good ball skills, hands, awareness, and experience in the box. Could play either S spot.

Michael Johnson, Arizona - 6'2, 205
4.6 40, bench, 15

Tall, lanky, aggressive safety with good size and versatility for either safety spot. Didn't work out as well as hoped and had some minor injuries hampering his play this year. Versatile pick to cover whatever you need, with the size other prospects don't have (or rather, height without the extra 20 lbs.)
his brother, Reggie Brown, was the guy who got paralyzed during a Lions game a few years back.

Sabby Piscatelli, Oregon St. 6'2, 220,
4.47 40, 3.9 short shuttle (#1 among DBs by .2), 19 bench

Size and outstanding timed athleticism. Decent ball skills, good at breaking up passes, aggressive (but not physical); decent in shorter zones. Hasn't shown he has the range or the playing speed up to par with his times.
 
Do you think it depends on which one we get early? By that I mean depending on whether the first guy (assuming we get one early) fits FS or SS. Or do you think they truly do interchange in this system.
 
guess it comes down to whether we want a player or a body back there at safety. Meriweather with his actions in the big brawl isn't a JR type player. 14 is way to early for Griffin, but if the deal with KC goes through he'd be a minor reach (talking slots here not Nelsonlike rounds) so he'd be my target if we're going S in the 1st. I've seen a mock with us taking Gattis so he wouldn't be much of a surprise.
 
Weddle, White and Johnson could all develop into fine players, Sabby P is climbing but I have no idea why.
 
Do you think it depends on which one we get early? By that I mean depending on whether the first guy (assuming we get one early) fits FS or SS. Or do you think they truly do interchange in this system.

Interchangeability is a truth - we don't play that much up in the box and I've seen Minter do it from FS, too.

You'd rather have a 220 lb guy at SS, though, sure. And the interchangeability doesn't mean that both S have the same responsibilities every play, or that both play the same mirror zone every play.

In 1, it's Nelson unless we trade down. In 2, any of those guys in the top 5 are going to be FS.

Merriwether's the only one limited to it, by playing style. Wendling and the greater portion of the beefy S, are going to be SS I'm assuming. But if I had to split them up by ideal playing spot:

FS
Landry
Nelson
Weddle*
White
Gattis

SS
Griffin
Wendling
Rouse
Johnson
Piscitelli
 
Interchangeability is a truth - we don't play that much up in the box and I've seen Minter do it from FS, too.

You'd rather have a 220 lb guy at SS, though, sure. And the interchangeability doesn't mean that both S have the same responsibilities every play, or that both play the same mirror zone every play.

In 1, it's Nelson unless we trade down. In 2, any of those guys in the top 5 are going to be FS.

Merriwether's the only one limited to it, by playing style. Wendling and the greater portion of the beefy S, are going to be SS I'm assuming. But if I had to split them up by ideal playing spot:

FS
Landry
Nelson
Weddle*
White
Gattis

SS
Griffin
Wendling
Rouse
Johnson
Piscitelli

I think White could swing both ways. "Marvin White" sounds like a motown singer.
 
I think White could swing both ways. "Marvin White" sounds like a motown singer.

definitely, on both counts (though I think you're thinking Maurice White? of eW&F?)
White, Weddle could definitely swing either way. Wendling has the athleticism. Gattis could go either way. Some think Griffin could go both ways. Johnson isn't terrible at FS, but he's got some size and lacks athleticism.
 
definitely, on both counts (though I think you're thinking Maurice White? of eW&F?)
White, Weddle could definitely swing either way. Wendling has the athleticism. Gattis could go either way. Some think Griffin could go both ways. Johnson isn't terrible at FS, but he's got some size and lacks athleticism.

I think I was thinking Marvin Gaye/Barry White.
 

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