Roughed Kicker?

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[mr.catz]

not! kicker fell on top of them. neither panther player ran into him. bs call. all nfl refs suck ass...always have always will. nfl wants the bigger market teams in playoffs to make more money is all it is. GREED KILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[chipshot]

It wasn't called as roughing the kicker it was called incidental contact or running into the kicker.

 

[buck nasty]

i think he has to have room to come down doesn't he?

 

[kshead]

i think he has to have room to come down doesn't he?

Yes. It's like a charge in basketball.

Maybe the kicker just slipped on the tears from all the crying Carolina fans.

 

[HAVEPSL]

As I wrote Stan Olsen:

You write:

The ball just missed Peppers' chest, zipping by on his left side. But replays seemed to show that cornerback Ken Lucas, also diving toward Cundiff, grazed it with the fingers of one hand.

Peppers and Lucas had collided and rolled into the kicker, something that would not have been a problem had officials considered the ball deflected. Since they decided it had not been, Peppers was called for running into the kicker

Gantt writes:

The yellow flag on the green grass nailed Peppers for running into the kicker. And when a review of the play said neither Peppers (he said he didn't touch it) nor Lucas (he said he did) touched the ball......

The rule is:

6. A member of the receiving team may not run into or rough a kicker who kicks from behind his line unless contact is:
(a) Incidental to and after he had touched ball in flight.
(b) Caused by kicker's own motions.
(c) Occurs during a quick kick, or a kick made after a run, or after kicker recovers a loose ball. Ball is loose when kicker muffs snap or snap hits ground.
(d) Defender is blocked into kicker.
The penalty for running into the kicker is 5 yards. For roughing the kicker: 15 yards, an automatic first down and disqualification if flagrant.


So:

The guy that blocks the kick is the only one that can run into the kicker, if incidental. If Lucas blocked the kick, and the penalty was called on Peppers....play stands.

 

[blackcatfan]

6. A member of the receiving team may not run into or rough a kicker who kicks from behind his line unless contact is:

(a) Incidental to and after he had touched ball in flight.

(b) Caused by kicker’s own motions.

(c) Occurs during a quick kick, or a kick made after a run behind the line, or after kicker recovers a loose ball on the ground. Ball is loose when kicker muffs snap or snap hits ground.

(d) Defender is blocked into kicker.


Without the "a", "b" becomes the judgement of the official. I think the ruling was based on the contact with the plant foot, not the kicker coming down on the heap.



I'm sure the full rulebook has more instruction to the officials on this stuff.


15 Yards (and disqualification if flagrant)

1. Striking opponent with fist.

2. Kicking or kneeing opponent.

3. Striking opponent on head or neck with forearm, elbow, or hands whether or not the initial contact is made below the neck area.

4. Roughing kicker.

5. Roughing passer.

6. Malicious unnecessary roughness.

7. Unsportsmanlike conduct.

8. Palpably unfair act. (Distance penalty determined by the Referee after consultation with other officials.)

15 Yards and Automatic Disqualification

1. Using a helmet (not worn) as a weapon.

2. Striking or purposely shoving a game official.



I din't see "flagrant" Unsportsmanlike conduct nor did I see any of the Striking or purposely shoving a game official. Whatever Smitty sais must have been all that was required to be deemed "flagrant" Unsportsmanlike conduct .

 

[THE 5TH CRUSADER]

What a bunch of CRYBABIES