Peter King seems to think we'll take Peppers.

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The way he puts it about why we won't take Harrington kinda sux, but it's understandable:


John Fox, you're on the clock.

Those are words the new Carolina Panthers coach has been waiting to hear for most of his adult life. In 24 years, his assistant-coaching travelogue has taken Fox from San Diego State to U.S. International to Boise State to Long Beach State to Utah to Kansas to Iowa State to the USFL's L.A. Express to the University of Pittsburgh to the Pittsburgh Steelers to the San Diego Chargers to the Oakland Raiders to the St. Louis Rams and to the New York Giants. Fourteen jobs, never any place longer than five years. And now the ultimate post, the one he wants to keep for a decade or more but the one he knows he won't keep longer than two or three unless he turns things around right quick. And now the ultimate pick, the second of Saturday's first round, when the first selection is predetermined -- Houston is taking quarterback David Carr -- and the pick he needs has to play Opening Day and play big.
Which is why, I believe, he won't take Joey Harrington.

Which is why, I believe, he will take Julius Peppers.

Not that this is any great mystery. Most of us in the draftnik business (and I am only on the fringe because I don't work it as hard as many of my peers) will pencil in Peppers, the 283-pound mass-of-potential pass-rusher, as the Panthers' pick in mock drafts this week. Driving home from work the other night, Fox called me and set out the parameters that he, general manager Marty Hurney and the Richardson family will use to make this selection.

"We've kind of floated all over the place about the pick," Fox said. "Now it's come down to Joey Harrington, Julius Peppers and Quentin Jammer. More than likely, it'll be one of those three. We haven't had any communication with anybody about trading the pick, so we'll probably sit right at two and take one of those players. I've never done this before, obviously, but we need to take a guy, picking second, who we feel will be able to be an impact guy this year."

What must torment Fox is that he wants to build the best long-term team he can, and he knows Harrington might well be a franchise quarterback. But the reason he won't take Harrington -- my words, not his -- is that he knows Harrington might not be a franchise quarterback, too. "I look around the league in recent years and find that lots of the good quarterbacks are with their second or third teams. Aikman, Marino, Elway. That's three who stayed with one team and were great. Seems like 333 have hit it on their second or third team." And the shoulder surgery to starter Chris Weinke, could that affect the pick? "No," he said. "It's the equivalent of a running back getting a knee scope. He'll be ready in plenty of time for training camp."

The Panthers have neither a dominating defensive end nor a shutdown corner. This is a tough call. But I know Fox, mostly from his days as the Giants' defensive coordinator. He knows Michael Strahan, at his peak, was significantly more important to the defense than a corner could have been. He thinks this kid, Peppers, the basketball/football standout, will be something special. "I watched a basketball tape from one of his North Carolina games the other day," he said. "And that joker is aggressive. Real aggressive. He's an intriguing player."

The Panthers might be making a big mistake by passing on Harrington. We all know that. But chances are if they take Harrington and he turns out to be really good within the next three or four years -- because he's not taking Weinke's job this year -- Fox and his current football regime won't be around to run show in Carolina. And that, fans, is how the draft works today.

By the way, now YOU are on the clock, Matt Millen.
 
>>is that he knows Harrington might not be a franchise quarterback, too.

which is a large part of why I don't want him here. He's a good quarterback. But a lot of the talk as to why he'd be drafted deals so much more with dislike of Weinke than that Harrington's just that damn good. I don't find Harrington a top ten player, nor do I find Carr a top five. Need forced Carr up there.
 
good point. Is there anyone that isn't being counted on for potential at this point?? Reading about jammer, he sounds like he's something too good to pass up. I've always felt that our secondary has needed more help than the defensive line, but that could be because we have no pass rush. I don't know, i just feel iffy about peppers.
 
Originally posted by WYDD
"...we need to take a guy, picking second, who we feel will be able to be an impact guy this year."

sounds like jammer to me. everyone knows that peppers needs work.
 
If we pick Harrington at no2 i'm going to be pissed. While I don't think Weinke is the long term answer, we have way to many other roblem than qb.
 
Re: Re: Peter King seems to think we'll take Peppers.

Originally posted by LarryD


sounds like jammer to me. everyone knows that peppers needs work.

That's my only concern. Basically, Julius is a three year work in progress, if he keeps working hard. If he had the killer instinct, and he doesn't, this would be no contest.
I don't really know that there's a right answer to the question at #2. Sadly, I keep seeing us defaulting to the more popular.
 
is peppers gonna be a DE? I always thought he was way too small. Fast as crap, but so is warren sapp, and peppers ain't no sapp.
 
I think Peppers is like 285. That's not too small.

Yeah, Jammer ready now, peppers ready later. Tough, tough choice.

And you KNOW the comparisons will last quite some time.
 
well he's got the size for not only end but left end. He has the ability to be very good against the run as well as against the pass.

But that doesn't mean he is. That's why people talk about him as POTENTIAL (staring in Iam4's general direction) because he has the ability to be much greater than he currently is.

Right now even at the college level he gets hooked too much, gets stalemated too much, and doesn't get off blocks very fast. he's supposed to be very quick in reading plays, yeah, and sometimes it shows, sometimes it doesn't. So that's a concern, especially playing over the tight end as Fox wants him to - he'll be getting chipped more, he'll be getting a lot of attention by guys who are as athletic as he is. Between the fact that he'll be finally up against guys at his level, and his potential run weaknesses causing just as big a contain problem as before he was here, I have concerns. I don't have concerns with him as a pass rusher because he has a good set of moves, including a good inside move, and will only be able to use his hands better as he's taught better leverage and explosion.
 
he could get double-teamed all season and never sniff the qb -- and be labeled a bust.

i see jammer being a greater impact player.
 

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