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interesting. munny has taken advantage of the opportunity, too.
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Keep hearing about this, but I don't see any printed stories about it. Odd.
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We can kick Hurney in the nuts all day for the Jake contract, post-2008.
However, signing Gamble to a $54 million (yes, $54 million) extension in the middle of 2008, just as the entire secondary was taking a nose-dive, was inexplicable. Always saw Gamble as very good, and a physical guy, but I will never forget Driver torching his ass early in the GB game from 2008--the day after Gamble got paid.
Just hideous.
However, signing Gamble to a $54 million (yes, $54 million) extension in the middle of 2008, just as the entire secondary was taking a nose-dive, was inexplicable. Always saw Gamble as very good, and a physical guy, but I will never forget Driver torching his ass early in the GB game from 2008--the day after Gamble got paid.
Just hideous.
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just another reason Hurney's ass should out the door at seasons end
I don't blame Hurney. I thought Gamble has been a top 10 corner until this season. Unfortunately he's played pretty poorly this year.
Funny thing is its not just him. Kalil hasn't had a good year imo, either. You can make the argument that Beason has played pretty poorly. He's been out of position I know, but he's missed some tackles and assignments that have led to some big plays as well.
So hopefully its just a slump and Gamble can snap out of it next year because I can't imagine he's gonna get cut.
Funny thing is its not just him. Kalil hasn't had a good year imo, either. You can make the argument that Beason has played pretty poorly. He's been out of position I know, but he's missed some tackles and assignments that have led to some big plays as well.
So hopefully its just a slump and Gamble can snap out of it next year because I can't imagine he's gonna get cut.
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Gamble, imhmfo, has never been 'great'. He has been an above average man2man coverage, poor tackler (save for the throw in his body for a hit resulting in knee damage to a coupla ball carriers/qbs), occasionally makes good hits - but doesn't wrap up, which seems to be the norm around here and elsewhere. He does, or has in prior years, seem to find the ball every now and then for an int., which makes him appear to be pretty good. He sucks in zone. It appears he takes some plays off, but yet does husstle every now and then to make up for it. He has been quite lucky at times to be at the right place at the right time when the ball is on the ground to recover the fumble. His dreads were awful, glad he got a better do. Top 10? Never, possibly has appeared to be at times, but is too inconsistent to be in that position (maybe in a year when none of the real top 10 stood out).
Kalil has been covering for the shitty guards and line changes who have been quite suckage this year.
Beason not being in the middle has hurt his production somewhat, so give him a pass this year, ok.
Hurney has a history of letting worthy players walk over very little (overall as far as what they wanted vs what they were offered, after you consider the cost of the replacement) and signing average players (who appeared to be good somehow- but yet fell apart after signage due to injury or pure suckage) or even worse players to far too big of contracts. Drafts in the early rounds haven't been too awful, but questionable draft day trades, and his project picks in later rounds rarely have been developed worth a damn. He also has been awful, overall, at signing FA. He has been the anti-patriot in his moves, which is a bad thing overall. I hate the pats, but one has to admire the way they handle personel, draft days, project development, and spending habits. Though we have had quite a shitty year, this year- other than not signing any FA (which I understand)- I can't blame him for the purge and going younger and cheap, for the future. It's like he declared bankruptcy this year in order to be better for the future and not hampered by past stoopidity. Let's hope if he stays, we don't find ourselves right back where we were in a few short years.
It does seem that whenever we sign guys who appear to be on the verge of 'very good' to lucrative contracs, that they catch the suckage the following year, for whatever reason.
Kalil has been covering for the shitty guards and line changes who have been quite suckage this year.
Beason not being in the middle has hurt his production somewhat, so give him a pass this year, ok.
Hurney has a history of letting worthy players walk over very little (overall as far as what they wanted vs what they were offered, after you consider the cost of the replacement) and signing average players (who appeared to be good somehow- but yet fell apart after signage due to injury or pure suckage) or even worse players to far too big of contracts. Drafts in the early rounds haven't been too awful, but questionable draft day trades, and his project picks in later rounds rarely have been developed worth a damn. He also has been awful, overall, at signing FA. He has been the anti-patriot in his moves, which is a bad thing overall. I hate the pats, but one has to admire the way they handle personel, draft days, project development, and spending habits. Though we have had quite a shitty year, this year- other than not signing any FA (which I understand)- I can't blame him for the purge and going younger and cheap, for the future. It's like he declared bankruptcy this year in order to be better for the future and not hampered by past stoopidity. Let's hope if he stays, we don't find ourselves right back where we were in a few short years.
It does seem that whenever we sign guys who appear to be on the verge of 'very good' to lucrative contracs, that they catch the suckage the following year, for whatever reason.
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Munneryln is not without flaws defensively, but he's becoming a very good punt returner. Of all PR's with at least 20 return attempts, Captain ranks 5th in the NFL at just a shade over 11 ypr.
That's very good production, and it seems to me that he's cured the fumbling issue. Parcells used to talk constantly to his PR's about the proper technique in fielding a kick (athletic stance, forward lean, ready to sprint). I'm seeing, from the past few games, a much more fundamentally sound effort from 41's end.
If you can pick up 11 yards every time you touch the ball, that's huge, and well above the league average for those who do it regularly. Mark Jones was a prime example of this in 2008. He was extremely consistent at KR and PR, and it proved to be a big lift for the offense. When this team gets the offense going again, Munnerlyn's continued production in that area will become more of a recognizable gift.
Defensively, I think he and Marshall are still working through inconsistencies, but corners always have shitty games, occasionally. Marshall seems to struggle in both man and zone down in the red zone, but that's probably (in part) a bi-product of having a Nic Harris at LB.
Gamble's a bit more of a disappointment because of the amount of money he was paid. Again, I'm not a cap wizard, but I'm guessing his 50+ million deal doesn't help matters.
That's Revis-Island money, and quite frankly, we incorporate a style of defense where paying a corner that kind of money is counterproductive. You can run an effective C2 scheme (or pure Tampa2) with several things in mind:
1. An understanding that you will not be a very good run defense, by default, against teams that run in a style that Cleveland and others do.
2. A need for 2-3 quick, small, strong ends that have a fast jump.
3. Having a pure 3-technique DT, which I don't feel we have--or at least, one that is worth a shit.
4. Corners that are physical on the jam, and wise on the reads in their zone.
5. Safeties with range.
6. A stable of quick LB's who can also take on FB's and G's without the presence of a dominant NT or DT. They also must be able to adequately cover backs and TE's, and unfortunately, we've had issues in that department of late, particularly Beason taking some shitty angles on backs on simple checkdowns.
We have the ends with CJ, EB, and Hardy. Ed Johnson is pure shit, and just needs to leave the city. Neblett is what he is, so whatever. Landri, I would keep, as he's a veteran with some big game experience with Jacksonville, and has not been terrible. Hayden, eh. DT is a vital need, for sure.
Sorry for the rant. But, yes, I see much more upside to Munnerlyn as an overall contributor to the operation (DB/ST) than I do Gamble, at this point.
That's very good production, and it seems to me that he's cured the fumbling issue. Parcells used to talk constantly to his PR's about the proper technique in fielding a kick (athletic stance, forward lean, ready to sprint). I'm seeing, from the past few games, a much more fundamentally sound effort from 41's end.
If you can pick up 11 yards every time you touch the ball, that's huge, and well above the league average for those who do it regularly. Mark Jones was a prime example of this in 2008. He was extremely consistent at KR and PR, and it proved to be a big lift for the offense. When this team gets the offense going again, Munnerlyn's continued production in that area will become more of a recognizable gift.
Defensively, I think he and Marshall are still working through inconsistencies, but corners always have shitty games, occasionally. Marshall seems to struggle in both man and zone down in the red zone, but that's probably (in part) a bi-product of having a Nic Harris at LB.
Gamble's a bit more of a disappointment because of the amount of money he was paid. Again, I'm not a cap wizard, but I'm guessing his 50+ million deal doesn't help matters.
That's Revis-Island money, and quite frankly, we incorporate a style of defense where paying a corner that kind of money is counterproductive. You can run an effective C2 scheme (or pure Tampa2) with several things in mind:
1. An understanding that you will not be a very good run defense, by default, against teams that run in a style that Cleveland and others do.
2. A need for 2-3 quick, small, strong ends that have a fast jump.
3. Having a pure 3-technique DT, which I don't feel we have--or at least, one that is worth a shit.
4. Corners that are physical on the jam, and wise on the reads in their zone.
5. Safeties with range.
6. A stable of quick LB's who can also take on FB's and G's without the presence of a dominant NT or DT. They also must be able to adequately cover backs and TE's, and unfortunately, we've had issues in that department of late, particularly Beason taking some shitty angles on backs on simple checkdowns.
We have the ends with CJ, EB, and Hardy. Ed Johnson is pure shit, and just needs to leave the city. Neblett is what he is, so whatever. Landri, I would keep, as he's a veteran with some big game experience with Jacksonville, and has not been terrible. Hayden, eh. DT is a vital need, for sure.
Sorry for the rant. But, yes, I see much more upside to Munnerlyn as an overall contributor to the operation (DB/ST) than I do Gamble, at this point.
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