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Blueblood32

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I have to admit this past off-season was a bust with FA's. We had Vincent begging to come here and John Tait in for a visit but decided to go the cheap route. we're the only upper tier franchise that didn't go out and try to improve this year. I hope big papa Richardson isn't taking pro-franchise lessons from Shinn. Our O-line is a mess and we still don't know about our secondary.
 
I was okay with letting people go. if that's what we wanted to do - throw away parts of a good thing that were positive parts of it.

But we had to replace those guys with quality. Brzezinski and Nelson weren't quality. Sure, have them fight for a spot. If they can't fucking win a spot, then they don't deserve to be here. But find another guard who can actually play. We turned a positive into a sounding negative. This could cost us much more than just the ability to be a contender - it could cost us the final amounts of wear left on Davis.

There's no doubting that NE got better this offseason. They coulda done more to get the back situation handled, but everything else is a win.
Philly abandoned their philosophy in FA, and went for the big money guys. But as of right now, they look good, regardless of what I thought of the guys they got or what they got rid of.

Most of the other contenders didn't lose like this.


In the end, I worried from March on that we were so worried about 2008 that 2004 didn't fucking matter.

We were worried about having to pay Jenkins/Peppers/Rucker so much money, and then of course gave a ton to Kasay, Delhomme, and Smitty to exascerbate the problem. Not to say we shouldn't have.
 
magnus said:
We turned a positive into a sounding negative.

Sounding, and re-sounding :laugh1:

magnus said:
then of course gave a ton to Kasay, Delhomme, and Smitty to exascerbate the problem. Not to say we shouldn't have.

I'd say that we didn't have to pay Kasay like that to keep him around, we were pretty darn generous. It was an expensive way to massage his morale.
 
I agree with your assessment, Magnus...I believe this franchise might have really retarded their chances to do great things this year. Our window will slam shut after 2008...This is the new era of the NFL...Building for the future is not the way to go. You build for a window - 2 maybe 3 years...After that, you start over.
 
2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

i count 6 years in that window you describe
 
Blueblood32 said:
I agree with your assessment, Magnus...I believe this franchise might have really retarded their chances to do great things this year. Our window will slam shut after 2008...This is the new era of the NFL...Building for the future is not the way to go. You build for a window - 2 maybe 3 years...After that, you start over.

IMO you are absolutly right. That window we opened last year and we, to quote Mags " threw away things that were a positive part of it" slammed shut the window. The truth for me was that we had an OL that was good enuff to take us to the SB. Now it makes not one bit of difference whether one of those elements wasn't what we thought was good as we want. And it makes not one piss in a whirlwind if one of those elements has gone to another team and missed every block he has attempted. The fact of the matter is, that OL played good enuff to damn near win the SB and it certainly wasn't their fault we didn't. Yet we did throw 3/5 of that line away plus a FS and we did give that window a slam and as you pointed out. That window of opportunity is exactly what we should have focused on. Not some damn theoretical position vs cost plan.
 
cathead said:
Yet we did throw 3/5 of that line away plus a FS and we did give that window a slam and as you pointed out. That window of opportunity is exactly what we should have focused on. Not some damn theoretical position vs cost plan.

2/5 -- donnalley retired, we didn't "throw him away"

don't know the numbers but could we have theoretically kept both Todd and Jeno (for the dollars he woulda cost us) ... and Shaw and Hawkins (or reggie and cousin)?

i think you're being shortsited but then i don't agree with this whole window thang.

the major problem with the window theory is there is just too much luck involved even if you start the season with a team that on paper looks good (sorta to me like if Nelson and Meadows hadn't fallen by the wayside ... but that's beside the point). we got to the SB last year without a secondary ... which speaks some for the unluck of the other 35 teams. we also had no, i repeat no, significant injuries on the OL other than a couple a meaningless games at the end of the season, and that was at the one position we had a somewhat decent backup. an injury at any other line position (if Mag's is rite about Nelson's inability to play guard) and we woulda seen such quality stars as Brez and Willig. if we had lost say Todd and Donnalley at the beginning of last year we woulda been in virtually the same sad shape as this year (maybe sadder considering Favors and the DBs). without even getting into bad calls or several other factors over which one cannot control, since injuries play such a huge role in the NFL and you can't predict them and it's hard to have adequate depth across the board, it seems to me that trading several years of trying to rebuild and bottom-feeding for a very risky, short window of hope is not a good gamble. i think your odds are much improved in you can field a good team year-in and year-out and hope that during a couple of those years your non future eroding moves pan out and you don't get killed with injuries and guys losing heart.

so say, if we had kept Todd and Jeno this year and supposedly mortgaged our future because of this narrow window of opportunity you think exists; and, low and behold, in our first game Smitty goes down and in our second game, or maybe when we reach the playoffs, Jake or Davis goes down and all of a sudden your window is slammed shut ... along with your future with which you betted.

so the better plan it would seem would be to try to consistently be good year-in and year-out ... not necessarily great. as NE and Carolina have proven you can get there by simply being good with good coaches.

you'll argue back we shouldn't intentionally slam the door shut on ourselves but as it has been argued by many, on paper it looked pretty possible before Meadows and Nelson.

it looks dim now with our OL situation and Smitty going down but there's still probably reasonable hope. we still have a lot of good players and some good coaches. last year i thought hope was lost when i saw Favors. in the beginning of last year, Jake brought questions as did Moose and Smitty and Howard and Cousin. our offense was piss poor for most of the year. we lost to the Texans and the Cowgirls for Peete's-sake. despite ide's homestate's worship of the game and highschool ball, losing to those two excuses for football teams is just about as shameful as it can get
 
Todd Steussie was a weakness on our OL. Meadows should have been an upgrade at a cheaper price. We could not have seen his injury being as bad as it was.

Jeno James was not worth his asking price. He had one good year and had not proven his ability.

Kevin Donnalley retired not much we could do about that.

Bruce Nelson got hurt you do not expect that from a second year guy but it happens.

Wharton is not ready to go and may never be. This may be a waste of a third round pick. If he is gonna be any good he should be starting on this OL.

On the plus side Branch seems to be playing fairly well and Gamble has not cost us any games yet. Colbet looked good in the preseason and may be a hugh help to us now that Smith is gone.
 
RP was going to retire too, but the staff showed interest in keeping. I would bet the same thing applied to Donnalley. No way to know of course.

I suppose the gambler in me believes in the "window of opportunity" concept. This I do know, if you walk away from the table while you're hot, that opportunity might not come again for awhile.

Like Mags noted up top, I'm not aganst getting rid of a starting player if you replace him with same. Probably TS was a necessary loss due to financial reason, but I don't believe Jeno was. I'm of the opinion that Jeno wanted to stay and would have for less than the pile Miami gave him. I am on the surface aganst making wholesale changes to a sucessful unit, who know each other well and have proved their worth. To me there was enough indications in Meadows recent history to send a loud alarm that he was no replacement for the durable Steussie.

As far as luck of last season, yes it is fickled but I believe the staff has put our team in the position of needing more than luck. They are still playing pre-season strategy trying to find an OL combo that works and in my opinion it's their own damn fault.
 

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