Draft exercise 12/30

[Wp28]

What To Do?

(I split this one to give it its own face time...mags)

http://www.gbnreport.com/2004draftorder.htm

we'd pick 26, 58, 90, 122, 154, and so on. We'd alternate with no one, we're the only 11-5 team so we pick the same spot every round.

Now that we have the official order, what would you do, I'll stick with TFY's order since its the most challenging IMHO.

1-50

WR 1 Roy Williams SR 6-4/210/- Texas Odessa, TX
QB 2 Ben Roethlisberger JR 6-5/240/- Miami (Oh) Findlay, OH
WR 3 Reggie Williams JR 6-4/220/- Washington Lakewood, WA
TE 4 Kellen Winslow Jr. JR 6-5/250/4.55 Miami (Fl) San Diego, CA
QB 5 Eli Manning SR 6-4/215/- Mississippi New Orleans, LA
DE 6 David Pollack JR 6-2/275/- Georgia Lithonia, GA
DT 7 Vince Wilfork JR 6-2/350/- Miami (Fl) Lantana, FL
OT 8 Shawn Andrews JR 6-5/330/- Arkansas Camden, AR
OT 9 Robert Gallery SR 6-7.5/320/- Iowa Winthrop, IA
CB 10 Chris Gamble JR 6-2/180/4.47 Ohio State Fort Lauderdale, FL
DE 11 Will Smith SR 6-4/263/- Ohio State Utica, NY
CB 12 Marlin Jackson JR 6-1/199/4.38 Michigan Sharon, PA
WR 13 Michael Jenkins SR 6-5/215/- Ohio State Tampa, FL
OLB 14 Karlos Dansby SR 6-5/235/- Auburn Birmingham, AL
WR 15 Larry Fitzgerald SO 6-3/210/- Pittsburgh Wayne, PA
S 16 Sean Taylor JR 6-3/225/- Miami (Fl) Miami, FL
WR 17 Michael Clayton JR 6-4/200/- LSU Baton Rouge, LA
WR 18 Lee Evans SR 5-11/202/- Wisconsin Bedford, OH
DT 19 Randy Starks JR 6-4/312/- Maryland Waldorf, MD
RB 20 Kevin Jones JR 6-0/225/- Virginia Tech Springfield, PA
OT 21 Vernon Carey SR 6-5/363/- Miami (Fl) Miami, FL
QB 22 J.P. Losman SR 6-3/220/4.65 Tulane Los Angeles, CA
OLB 23 D.J. Williams SR 6-2/245/- Miami (Fl) Concord, CA
OLB 24 Teddy Lehman SR 6-2/243/- Oklahoma Fort Gibson, OK
CB 25 Derrick Strait SR 5-11/194/4.47 Oklahoma Austin, TX
DE 26 Claude Harriott SR 6-4/255/- Pittsburgh Belle Glade, FL
OLB 27 Michael Boulware SR 6-3/222/- Florida State Columbia, SC
CB 28 DeAngelo Hall JR 5-11/195/4.35 Virginia Tech Chesapeake, VA
DT 29 Marcus Tubbs SR 6-4/310/- Texas Desoto, TX
RB 30 Steven Jackson JR 6-3/233/- Oregon State Las Vegas, NV
WR 31 Rashaun Woods SR 6-2/190/- Oklahoma State Oklahoma City, OK
WR 32 Ernest Wilford SR 6-4/221/- Virginia Tech Richmond, VA
RB 33 Greg Jones SR 6-1/248/- Florida State Beaufort, SC
DT 34 DeMarco McNeil SR 6-2/300/- Auburn Prichard, AL
WR 35 Devard Darling JR 6-3/205/4.35 Washington State Sugar Land, TX
OLB 36 Dontarrious Thomas SR 6-4/238/- Auburn Perry, GA
OLB 37 Derrick Johnson JR 6-4/230/- Texas Waco, TX
RB 38 Carnell Williams JR 5-11/204/- Auburn Attalla, AL
QB 39 Andrew Walter JR 6-5/222/- Arizona State Grand Junction, CO
C 40 Ben Wilkerson JR 6-4/300/- LSU Hemphill, TX
TE 41 Ben Watson SR 6-3/253/- Georgia Rock Hill, SC
CB 42 Nathan Vasher SR 5-11/180/4.49 Texas Texarkana, TX
OT 43 Michael Munoz JR 6-6/305/- Tennessee Cincinnati, OH
WR 44 Braylon Edwards JR 6-3/206/- Michigan Harper Woods, MI
MLB 45 Jonathan Vilma SR 6-2/225/- Miami (Fl) Coral Gables, FL
S 46 Brandon Everage SR 6-0/190/- Oklahoma Granger, TX
WR 47 Fred Gibson JR 6-4/180/- Georgia Waycross, GA
DT 48 Shaun Cody JR 6-3.5/283/- USC Hacienda Heights, CA
S 49 Stuart Schweigert SR 6-3/217/- Purdue Saginaw, MI
MLB 50 Richard Seigler SR 6-3/238/- Oregon State Las Vegas, NV

 

[Wp28]

50-100

Now that we have the official order, what would you do, I'll stick with TFY's order since its the most challenging IMHO. [/endquote]

50-100

OLB 51 Kendyll Pope SR 6-2/210/- Florida State Lake City, FL
OG 52 Chris Snee JR 6-3/331/- Boston College Montrose, PA
DE 53 Antwan Odom JR 6-5/277/- Alabama Irvington, AL
DE 54 Mathias Kiwanuka SO 6-8/246/- Boston College Indianapolis, IN
RB 55 Michael Turner SR 6-0.5/228/- Northern Illinois North Chicago, IL
WR 56 Bernard Berrian SR 6-2/190/- Fresno State Atwater, CA
CB 57 Randy Jordan SR 6-2/180/- Kansas State Tulare, CA
OT 58 Nat Dorsey JR 6-6/330/- Georgia Tech New Orleans, LA
CB 59 Keiwan Ratliff SR 5-10/178/- Florida Whitehall, OH
WR 60 James Newson SR 6-1/207/4.55 Oregon State Stockton, CA
OT 61 Carlos Joseph JR 6-6/340/- Miami (Fl) Miami, FL
QB 62 David Greene JR 6-3/213/- Georgia Snellville, GA
RB 63 Mewelde Moore SR 6-1/210/4.45 Tulane Baton Rouge, LA
DT 64 Darnell Dockett SR 6-4/280/- Florida State Burtonsville, MD
DE 65 Nathaniel Adibi SR 6-3/255/- Virginia Tech Hampton, VA
DE 66 Kenechi Udeze SO 6-3/270/- USC Los Angeles, CA
OT 67 Max Starks SR 6-7/349/- Florida Orlando, FL
DT 68 Anttaj Hawthorne JR 6-3/300/- Wisconsin Hamden, CT
WR 69 Jerricho Cotchery SR 6-1/200/- North Carolina State Birmingham, AL
OG 70 David Baas JR 6-5/320/- Michigan Searcy, AR
DE 71 Marquise Hill JR 6-7/294/- LSU New Orleans, LA
WR 72 B.J. Johnson SR 6-1/200/- Texas Grand Prairie, TX
DE 73 Darrion Scott SR 6-3/280/- Ohio State Charleston, WV
OT 74 Tony Pape SR 6-6/305/- Michigan Darien, IL
OT 75 Jacob Rogers SR 6-6/305/- USC Oxnard, CA
OG 76 Nick Leckey SR 6-4/285/- Kansas State Grapevine, TX
OT 77 C.J. Brooks JR 6-5/305/- Maryland Morrow, GA
TE 78 Ben Troupe SR 6-4/262/- Florida Augusta, GA
RB 79 Cedric Cobbs SR 6-1/225/- Arkansas Little Rock, AR
MLB 80 Freddie Roach SO 6-2/245/- Alabama Killen, AL
DE 81 Chris Canty JR 6-7/280/- Virginia Charlotte, NC
C 82 Alex Stepanovich SR 6-4/300/- Ohio State Berea, OH
DE 83 Greg Taplin SR 6-5/256/- Michigan State Hallandale, FL
OT 84 Travelle Wharton SR 6-4/305/- South Carolina Simpsonville, SC
DE 85 Bobby McCray SR 6-6/245/- Florida Homestead, FL
S 86 Jason Shivers JR 6-0/192/- Arizona State Phoenix, AZ
S 87 Jamaal Brimmer JR 6-0/195/4.63 UNLV Las Vegas, NV
QB 88 Cody Pickett SR 6-4/215/- Washington Caldwell, ID
QB 89 Luke McCown SR 6-4/210/- Louisiana Tech Jacksonville, TX
WR 90 Devery Henderson SR 6-0/195/- LSU Opelousas, LA
RB 91 Cedric Houston JR 6-0/215/- Tennessee Clarendon, AR
TE 92 Ben Utecht SR 6-6/250/- Minnesota Hastings, MN
QB 93 Jared Lorenzen SR 6-4/260/- Kentucky Fort Thomas, KY
DT 94 Dwan Edwards SR 6-3/301/- Oregon State Columbus, MT
RB 95 Anthony Davis JR 5-8/191/- Wisconsin Plainfield, NJ
DE 96 Isaac Hilton SR 6-5/250/- Hampton Charleston, SC
RB 97 Frank Gore SO 5-10/218/4.40 Miami (Fl) Coral Gables, FL
DE 98 Andrew Shull SR 6-4/260/- Kansas State Webb City, MO
CB 99 Antrel Rolle JR 6-1/195/- Miami (Fl) Homestead, FL
WR 100 Roydell Williams JR 6-2/188/4.55 Tulane Destrehan, LA

 

[Wp28]

101+

101-142






2004 NFL Draft Prospects Year: 20042003

Prospects by: OVERALL RANK | Position | College | Home State | Name
Position: QB RB FB WR TE OT OG C DT DE OLB MLB S CB K P

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Pos Overall
Rank Rating Name Yr Ht/Wt/40 College Home
OG 101 Regis Crawford SR 6-1/315/- Arizona State San Diego, CA
RB 102 Chris Perry SR 6-1/220/- Michigan Fork Union, VA
RB 103 Tatum Bell SR 5-11/210/- Oklahoma State Desoto, TX
OG 104 Jonathan Clinkscale JR 6-3/308/- Wisconsin Pasadena, CA
S 105 Glenn Earl SR 6-1/204/- Notre Dame Naperville, IL
TE 106 Tim Euhus SR 6-5/249/- Oregon State Eugene, OR
OG 107 Anthony Herrera SR 6-4/305/- Tennessee Naples, FL
QB 108 Matt Kegel SR 6-5/239/- Washington State Havre, MT
QB 109 Robert Kent SR 6-4/220/4.75 Jackson State Indianola, MS
WR 110 Derek McCoy SR 6-2/205/- Colorado Thornton, CO
DE 111 Gabe Nyenhuis SR 6-4/265/- Colorado Saint Charles, IL
WR 112 Johnnie Morant SR 6-4/223/- Syracuse Morris Plains, NJ
DT 113 Isaac Sapoaga SR 6-3/336/- Hawaii Pago Pago, AS
TE 114 Sean Ryan SR 6-5/264/- Boston College Buffalo, NY
RB 115 Darren Sproles JR 5-7/180/- Kansas State Olathe, KS
OT 116 Calvin Armstrong JR 6-8/315/- Washington State Centralia, WA
WR 117 Derek Abney SR 5-10/175/- Kentucky Schofield, WI
CB 118 Roc Alexander SR 6-0/185/- Washington Colorado Springs, CO
WR 119 Kevin Beard SR 6-2/185/- Miami (Fl) Plantation, FL
CB 120 Greg Brooks SR 5-11/180/- Southern Miss Shaw, MS
OT 121 Anthony Alabi SR 6-6/324/- TCU San Antonio, TX
DT 122 Darrell Campbell SR 6-4/296/- Notre Dame South Holland, IL
C 123 Toby Cecil SR 6-4/298/- Texas Tech Richardson, TX
OG 124 Adrien Clarke SR 6-5/330/- Ohio State Shaker Heights, OH
DE 125 Cols Colas SR 6-0/226/- Virginia Tech Plantation, FL
WR 126 Keary Colbert SR 6-1.5/207/- USC Oxnard, CA
CB 127 Kendall Edwards JR 5-11/190/- Fresno State Mira Loma, CA
RB 128 Clarence Farmer SR 6-0/225/- Arizona Houston, TX
OLB 129 Keyaron Fox SR 6-3/220/- Georgia Tech Atlanta, GA
TE 130 Michael Gaines SR 6-3.5/280/- Central Florida Tallahassee, FL
CB 131 Kelly Jennings SO 6-0/175/- Miami (Fl) Live Oak, FL
RB 132 Julius Jones SR 5-10/220/4.30 Notre Dame Big Stone Gap, VA
DT 133 Brandon Kennedy SR 5-10/312/- North Texas Terrell, TX
DT 134 Albert Means JR 6-4/355/- Memphis Memphis, TN
S 135 Medford Moorer SR 6-2/195/- Colorado Los Angeles, CA
DT 136 Mike Patterson JR 6-0/285/- USC Los Alamitos, CA
OT 137 Brian Rimpf SR 6-6/318/- East Carolina Raleigh, NC
OG 138 Shannon Snell SR 6-4/310/- Florida Belle Mead, NJ
MLB 139 Daryl Smith SR 6-2/235/- Georgia State Albany, GA
QB 140 Danny Wimprine JR 6-0/215/5.01 Memphis River Ridge, LA
QB 141 Derek Anderson JR 6-6/234/- Oregon State Scappoose, OR
DE 142 Jason Babin JR 6-4/275/- Western Michigan Paw Paw, MI

 

[Wp28]

Speed kills...

26. DeAngelo Hall. Mannings stpped up and assuming we sign a blue chip FA, Hall gets to return kicks play nickle and develop.

58. James Newsome. Speed, size and blocking. Moose, Smith and Newsome is nice trips. a little of everything.

90. OG Clinkscale. plays in the Bowl game tonight, take a look at him..

122 OLB Keyaron Fox. "Explosive, athletic linebacker mentally growing into the position. " - tfy

154. Joey Thomas. CB could probably go elseare here as we would be crowded
at Cb but he's a nice grab here.

 

[McFly41]

26. DeAngelo Hall. Mannings stpped up and assuming we sign a blue chip FA, Hall gets to return kicks play nickle and develop.

58. James Newsome. Speed, size and blocking. Moose, Smith and Newsome is nice trips. a little of everything.

90. OG Clinkscale. plays in the Bowl game tonight, take a look at him..

122 OLB Keyaron Fox. "Explosive, athletic linebacker mentally growing into the position. " - tfy

154. Joey Thomas. CB could probably go elseare here as we would be crowded
at Cb but he's a nice grab here.

I would agree with all accept Thomas at 154...From what I have gathered that would be about 50-60 spots late. He could easily go top 100. I have seen him off the board as early as the late second round.
Lots of posturing (Combine/Individual workout/All-star tilts) to go before I would hold a solid opinion though.

 

[T_Schroll]

GBN

26 Woods WR
58 Navarre QB
90 Snell G
122 Buhl LB
154 Colclough CB
176 Reid S
208 Diggs LB


TFY

26 Woods WR
58 Ratliff CB
90 Utecht TE
122 Fox LB

 

[magnus]

All suggest Jeno, Grant, and Donnalley returning or fixing RG from in house. As well, I'm gonna suggest Steussie stays for all four.

At first glance, we're golden. Both DeAngelo Hall and Rashaun Woods are there. Both are more important than Derrick Johnson, though I'll add one scenario of that as well. I'll keep comments brief since I will be picking from amongst (largely) guys I've picked from in the past.


TFY, having solved CB

26. Woods, WR
58, Nat Dorsey, OT - over Starks. As before, nothing at OLB.
90, Utecht - still a very good fit. We return one TE and he's on IR.
122, Julius Jones - yet another vote for the speedy RB for return purposes

solved WR (starting)
26 Hall, CB
58, still Dorsey;
90, still Utecht; otherwise, Dwan Edwards
122, Colbert, WR


Alternate
26. Johnson, OLB or Thomas, OLB. Either would certainly add what we need in the front seven.
58, BJ Johnson, WR - somewhat more explosive than he gets credit for. Lee Evans without as much risk, though not as built.
90, Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
122, Brandon Kennedy, with lift cleats on


GBN having solved CB
26. Jenkins, WR - physically and athletically better than Woods. Better fit here, sadly. Woods is better player.
58, ben Troupe, TE - complete player. Not that fast, but faster and more athletic than what we have.
90, Isaac Sapoaga, DT, Hawaii - will move up from here. Just needs to work on his hands.
122, Josh Buhl, LB, KSt - Weakside insurance and ST help. Small.
154. Pasha Jackson, LB, OU - strongside depth. Basically, two LB picks to get depth but neither will end up having helped the starting situation.

GBN having solved WR
26. Thomas, OLB - just a better player than Dunta, IMO, and I don't feel so good about Vasher right now.
58, Poole, CB. Makes some plays on the ball, isn't tiny.
90, Sapoaga, DT - over Chad Pugh of TCU, because he's more complete. Both take up space but Pugh will always be at best a Shane Burton.
122,
154. Greg Brooks, CB, MSU - strength project, but can cover enough to keep a spot. Plays the ball, and has all the tools.


If I had to pick a QB at every spot:
26 n/a
58, David Greene UGA - sells everything. The game manager with an actual arm; or Navarre, who's basically the same. Navarre has more balls, Greene's a little more technically settled and has less upside. Both will start.
90, Lorenzen - it's just fun to watch him. He'll go to battle for you, and I have a feeling he'll bring spirit and heart to whatever team he rides the bench with. And he needs that time.
122, no value
154. Clausen. He'll find a way, I think. He's gonna play. He, Smoker, Rutherford aren't bad for 5th rounders.

 

[Wp28]

Will Poole?

Was Henning the HC at BC when Poole was suspended from the team and ultimately transfered to the JUCO?

 

[magnus]

Was Henning the HC at BC when Poole was suspended from the team and ultimately transfered to the JUCO?

Nope.
Magazu was there, though.

 

[rake]

Here's something about Hall from gbnreport.com -


>>>"Va Tech CB commits to draft...Virginia Tech junior CB DeAngelo Hall confirmed that he will be entering the 2004 draft after the Hokies' bowl game Friday night. Hall, who doubles as one of the nation's top punt returners - he returned a punt for a TD in Friday's Insight.com Bowl loss to California - caused quite a stir last April when reportedly timed under 4.2 for the 40 at Virginia Tech's spring timing day. Hall is the second top Virginia Tech to declare for the 2004 draft after fellow junior RB Kevin Jones did so earlier this month."<<<<


There you go . . . a 4.2 40 = no way in hell he drops to #26. If he does Hall should probably be our guy. However, though he may have elite speed I haven't heard that he is an elite cover corner with that "shut down" stamp on him. CB, LB, WR . . . it feels like there is a 33.3% chance for each in the 1st IMO.