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Wide Receivers we could go after

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Thelt, Jan 23, 2006.

  1. sockittome16

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    I think Carter could actually be decent. He was taken from the practice squad and thrown right into the fire, and didn't do a bad job at all. When the Panthers run the ball, the Panthers do very well that's the bottom line cause it opens up the passing game.
     
  2. Collin

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    Notice that I didn't say Jake had good footwork on his INTs. As stated, I don't think Jake has good footwork on many of his throws, no matter how they end up. And as for Chicago, they were the result of poor decision-making.
     
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    yeah, you've said so before, I've just not seen proof on tape.

    Meanwhile, I can see that he threw on the run off the wrong foot. He's accurate on that pass, and Proehl simply steps out of bounds. It's not like he was well-covered, Vasher made a good break toward the ball from zone but it's not as if he had Proehl covered. The corner-endzone angle of the replay clearly shows, on the first pick, Jake's got his legs spread apart and after the throw, here comes the front foot down.

    The second one, Vasher's closer, but when Proehl has a step on him, you figure that's enough. It's another underthrown ball, thrown from across his body to the sideline across his natural motion, sliding left without set feet when he throws.
     
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    OK, so half of his throws he has good footwork and half the time he doesn't? What causes this? Mechanics issues, usually tend to be a hit or miss problem, something that do all the time.


    I dunno, maybe this was an issue he always had a bad problem with but is trying to work on and just can't seem to get it right like he should. Is this something a good QB coach can help him with at this point in his career?

    Example I was thinking of, although not football related was Smotlz with the Braves a few years back and he talked with a shrink or something and it helped with his mechanical problem and some type of confidence issue or something like that.
     
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    From between the Chicago game and the early parts of Seattle, the biggest thing I can see is that Jake struggles with inside pressure, and when he struggles with said pressure, sometimes he does get happy feet, even at times regardless of there actually being pressure. Call it Fasani-ing. I suggested before that he doesn't trust his blocking in certain games where that middle pressure is there (and it's not there, not that often), which to me explains why he would move around and not step into his throws only in certain games (where he also has INT issues, usually). Collin made it known at the time that he didn't agree with it, and I'm just suggesting it as a theory. But you can see footwork issues, and clearly he's rushed.

    As for other times, I'm sure he throws off the back foot occasionally without pressure being a factor in the game.
     
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    I agree totally that he has footwork issues, but I think they are just as much a problem with pressure or without.

    He seems to make the wrong decision in where to go once the pressure comes into play: staying in the pocket too long, holding the ball too long, moving into even more pressure and this is all before he even throws the ball.



    I am not saying we need to get rid of Jake or anything like that, but there are things that he needs to work on and these are things he should be able to improve on. If he could work on his footwork, reads and what to do when the pressure comes, even just a little on these things would help.

    Sure he doesn't need to be perfect, but improvement would be nice.
     
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    I believe that Sam Aiken could be a soild #2 reciever.
     
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    Moulds would be great. Having a physical reciever you couldn't just bump and play man with and run with would cut out what Seattle was doing to us.

    Colbert was getting his ass kicked. Carter was having trouble getting off the line as well, though he had a bit more success. They really manhandled our recievers, not just Smitty.
     
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    Bad footwork causes inaccuracy like we saw yesterday. It doesn't cause Jake to miss Proehl by 10 yards on each of those INTs. In both cases Delhomme simply threw the ball up for grabs, and that's not a result of footwork but of a mental screwup. But yeah, he has bad footwork and getting him to work on that would help with most of his throws. Perfect footwork would not eliminate Jake's problems, however, because he still makes terrible decisions far too often.
     
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    I don't see either of those passes as being up for grabs, whatsoever, and neither were anywhere near ten yards off.

    I can see the footwork that causes the problem. Neither of us can see Delhomme's thought process. You don't throw a sideline out up for grabs.
     

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