Who will be the 12th ACC School ? ?

[Miss tery]

ND

 

[negoshe8er]

I'd like to see ECU join the league, but I know Notre Dame is far more appealing to the league. I've also heard rumors of Kentucky for basketball reasons.

 

[Piper]

I'd be suprised by any of the schools mentioned.

The teams have to have a reason to move over. The reason for Miami and VT moving over if obvious. They can make more money. Would Notre Dame make more money in the ACC?

Right now, Notre Dame has their own TV contract, can make their own indepedent schedule. They are a cash cow. The Big East is still a very strong basketball conference, so I don't see them paying to get out of that just not to be an independent. The ACC can plant all the advisors they want, I just don't see them accepting. If they wanted to guarantee a BCS berth, they'd just accept the open invitation to the Big East. With ND in the fold, the Big East would keep the BCS bid, since ND would likely be in the BCS fold every year as Big East Champion.

Louiville. They've already said yes to the Big East, and the Big East hasn't even asked. Plus, their grad rate is low, and a lot of ACC teams are put off by that, as PP said. I think they are Big East bound for the 2004 season, as I don't think either the Cards or the ACC is really interested in seeing them join the ACC.

Kentucky. They would never make as much money in the ACC as they do now in the SEC. Travel costs would be higher, they'd have to pay a hefty fine to leave, no natural rivalries in the ACC, and the SEC already has all the things the ACC is trying to build.

 

[The Brain]

Originally posted by Piper
I'd be suprised by any of the schools mentioned.

The teams have to have a reason to move over. The reason for Miami and VT moving over if obvious. They can make more money. Would Notre Dame make more money in the ACC?

Right now, Notre Dame has their own TV contract, can make their own indepedent schedule. They are a cash cow. The Big East is still a very strong basketball conference, so I don't see them paying to get out of that just not to be an independent. The ACC can plant all the advisors they want, I just don't see them accepting. If they wanted to guarantee a BCS berth, they'd just accept the open invitation to the Big East. With ND in the fold, the Big East would keep the BCS bid, since ND would likely be in the BCS fold every year as Big East Champion.

(I'm copying and pasting this from where I posted it elsewhere)

the BCS is going to be reevaluated in 2005... that was gonna happen one way or another... and if that happens Notre Dame will probably lose its BCS exemption... which means if they want a SURE BCS shot they'll have to go to a conference... their choices are limited really to the Big 10 or the ACC... I'm thinking that they've already been checking out the ACC with the help of NCSU's Mary Anne Fox... I think her involvement will play into this big time... she's a possible vote needed to allow ND to join on BOTH sides... plus she's already that inside voice that can talk with friends on the inside and convince them to go... travel wise its not their best option, but in the end it will bring the most money... the number 2 option is Louisville and if Notre Dame says no I have a feeling Louisville would say yes... if Louisville joined the ACC that's be another kick in the jimmy to the Big East

 

[The Brain]

Originally posted by Piper
Louiville. They've already said yes to the Big East, and the Big East hasn't even asked. Plus, their grad rate is low, and a lot of ACC teams are put off by that, as PP said. I think they are Big East bound for the 2004 season, as I don't think either the Cards or the ACC is really interested in seeing them join the ACC.

Clemson's grad rate is 25% Louisville's is MUCH better than that... I believe around 46%

 

[Miss tery]

Kentucky

 

[Hoopsradio]

Going back a ways in this thread... the fact that Duke and Carolina and NC St. might be mad about basketball tournament tickets is a ridiculous argument. This is and always will be about a Football Championship game. That additional money is the only thing the ACC is going after right now. They add three teams but split a larger pool of money in TV contract and conference championship game. It is for this reason that the SEC (see: highest payouts to schools for any conference) does not have to worry about its schools leaving for the ACC. Any school that jumps ship from there is dumb because they leave the most money already.

Since what I have heard also meshes with what the Brain said about Notre Dame going to have to join a league in football, I cannot see why the Big 10 (see: Big 11) doesn't grab them and start their own football championship. It would be the big one in my opinon. That conference and the Big 12 are the best two in my opinion in football and a championship game in that league with schools that care about football would be the big one.

The ACC must like Notre Dame as far as academics goes, but if Syracure and BC are too far to travel, then so is South Bend, Indiana.

East Carolina is a little brother in the eyes of the NC ACC schools and for that reason ECU will not make it in. It's a bit of a shame, but they can be a little snoody in the ACC.

When you look at the new geographical landscape of the ACC, they have expanded further south with Miami and no further North with Va Tach. It just makes too much sense to pick up a team in the Southeast to keep costs down and revenues up. They will probably take a long look at what the Southest has to offer. I still like UCF and I am hearing more talk abotu South Florida out of Conf. USA. Granted, they have to make some strides, but we're talking about playing in the league two years from now... they have time to make this happen. Think of the money that would pour in if a school felt like an invitation was looming. I know I just said the ACC is snoody, but they would make a big mistake to miss out on a great opportunity in this critical time in the conference's history.

The ACC wants to stay away from scandal so UK is out (too recent with their investigation).

 

[45catfan]

I'm going with what Da*man suggested and say the Naval Acadamy as the 12th ACC school. In football I believe they are still an independent. They are located in Maryland, so treks further north are not warrented as in the instance another Big East college becomes the potential target. Duke and UNC will be enthusiastic about the graduation rate Navy has. Duke will actually have someone to compete against in football for the first time since the Spurrier era. Besides, do you guys actually think that any other conference that already has 12+ teams like the SEC is going let the ACC raid them like the Big East? Likewise, the Big East will not allow any more teams defect to the ACC.

Competiton from Navy will not be that good anytime soon... maybe ever in football, but every so often they form a respectable hoops squad. Out of fairness to the existing members of the ACC and other conferences, it would not behoove the ACC to notch another perennial top 25 program in football like Notre Dame. That undermines the history of the schools that have been in this conference these 50+ years. There has to be some sense of tradition remaining after the shake up among the core group of schools. It makes sense, however, that the 'loner' schools (sole state ACC represetation) have some intrastate rivalries that the North Carolina schools have been fortunate enough to encounter. Some examples: FSU/Miami, Virginia/Virginia Tech, Maryland/Navy. Having been to Clemson, the closest thing they have to a rival is in Gorgia Tech... nothing changes there. Besides, as most people are aware of, neither USC nor UGA are going to defect from the SEC, so all bets are off there and besides, both states are lacking another 'major' DIV I school to fill that void.

For the stated reasons, I think the Naval acadamy would be a logical choice for the 12th ACC school.

 

[TimTam]

UNCG all the way

 

[The Brain]

Originally posted by 45catfan
I'm going with what Da*man suggested and say the Naval Acadamy as the 12th ACC school. In football I believe they are still an independent. They are located in Maryland, so treks further north are not warrented as in the instance another Big East college becomes the potential target. Duke and UNC will be enthusiastic about the graduation rate Navy has. Duke will actually have someone to compete against in football for the first time since the Spurrier era. Besides, do you guys actually think that any other conference that already has 12+ teams like the SEC is going let the ACC raid them like the Big East? Likewise, the Big East will not allow any more teams defect to the ACC.

Competiton from Navy will not be that good anytime soon... maybe ever in football, but every so often they form a respectable hoops squad. Out of fairness to the existing members of the ACC and other conferences, it would not behoove the ACC to notch another perennial top 25 program in football like Notre Dame. That undermines the history of the schools that have been in this conference these 50+ years. There has to be some sense of tradition remaining after the shake up among the core group of schools. It makes sense, however, that the 'loner' schools (sole state ACC represetation) have some intrastate rivalries that the North Carolina schools have been fortunate enough to encounter. Some examples: FSU/Miami, Virginia/Virginia Tech, Maryland/Navy. Having been to Clemson, the closest thing they have to a rival is in Gorgia Tech... nothing changes there. Besides, as most people are aware of, neither USC nor UGA are going to defect from the SEC, so all bets are off there and besides, both states are lacking another 'major' DIV I school to fill that void.

For the stated reasons, I think the Naval acadamy would be a logical choice for the 12th ACC school.

what kind of recruiting would navy bring to help the rest of the league? None. What kind of TV revenue? None. This isn't even a viable option.