White identifies the Panthers

Speak for yourself Collin. I will be real excited if the Panthers draft White. Both of you guys make very valid points. White does have some character concerns, but with his talent at our spot in the draft, if he's there I hope we take him. We worried about other players in the past having character concerns and we've seen that not many of those have been headaches for the teams that eventually drafted them. On the other hand, we've also seen the Maurice Clarett saga, so I'll just trust the Panthers organization if they decide to draft him. Also, on the players that we worried about before, some have shown that ego at times, but a team has to decide if they want to deal with those faults and have the talent or to not deal with it. With all the egos in the NFL, I say we deal with it. I watched the Nat. Champ. game and without White, USC loses big.
Now on another note. Speaking of questionable attitude, how about Vernon Davis? I see where he is being projected in the top 10 now. Did none of the NFL scouts see his attitude this season? He is an extremely gifted athlete, and is definitely a top pick talent wise, but I wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft pole if I were drafting. I watched him this past season get pissed at his QB for throwing an INT, take his helmet off at midfield, walk towards the sidelines, and throw his helmet to the sidelines. THEN, get in the face of his QB and have to be separated from him to keep them from fighting. So, with all the talk of him being drafted early, it goes to show that the NFL teams can usually look past some attitude to pick a freak of an athlete like Davis.

 

Wrong. Most guys with character issues in college also have character issues in the pros. The point you should have made instead is that some of those bad character guys have gone on to be very productive players anyway (i.e. Randy Moss).

That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that if he hadn't been lazy and shown up for the game at an embarrassing 255 pounds then he wouldn't have been stopped on fourth and 2, and USC would have won the game.

There are no questions about Vernon Davis' attitude. By accounts of both his teammates and coaches, he works extremely hard in practice, and there's no question that he's put an enormous amount of effort into being as physically fit as possible. Maybe you've never actually played football, but confrontations often happen between ultra-competitive teammates. That's not a red flag, especially when that player has done so much else to be considered one of his team's leaders on and off the field.

 

I think coaches can put up with the occasional hissy-fit. It's the lack of desire and focus that really raises red flags, as in the case with White. Those are the things that keep a player from progressing, and they are definitely character concerns.

 

Damn, Collin, I'm surprised ESPN has not signed you to a deal yet. You seem to know everything about the NFL, scouting and hell, football in general. They should just get rid of Mel Kiper, Jr. and just sign you to a deal. We'd all get better and more informative knowledge that way.
On to my next point, maybe you didn't play football, because of my experience when a player would do the things that Davis did on the field nearly 99 times out of 100 they were a head case. This included little league, high school and college. Unfortunately, I can't speak for the NFL because I didn't have the opportunity to play there, maybe you did and that's how you have all this insight. I know that players become incredibly competetive during games, myself included, but most times a player that does something like Davis did shows he has no respect for his teammates, his team or anyone else for that matter. Look at all the players in the NFL that does these things, TO and Smitty are the biggest two, do they have character issues? Damn right they do. Can they play at a very high level, damn right they can. My point in saying what I did about Davis is everyone seems to jump all over White for having a poor attitude and such, when there are plenty others that have those problems, too. Don't pretend like they don't. As for the fourth and 2 comment, that's ridiculous. The guy carried his team, including Leinhart and Bush. If he was in such poor shape during that game why didn't Carroll get the ball in Bush's hands and see if he could get the first down? Because he had the most faith in White. So, obviously, you and Pete Carroll must disagree on White's conditioning as well.
You know Collin, you have a lot of knowledge about football obviously by the way you can discuss various issues pertaining to the NFL and college. But the comments you make towards others make you look like an idiot. You aren't the final answer, so maybe you should just sit back awhile, let others discuss issues and keep to yourself. If you want others to read about just what you think, start a blog. There is plenty of space on the net for you to just rant and talk about how much you know. Lots of people here think you are a joke which is why everyone argues with you. So, just stop man. We're all just wanting to have conversation, we all have different opinions and we all have a right to voice those opinions. Not just you.

 

Absolutely, Fox & Co are human and therefore falible even having access to a lot more information then any of us. Honestly it's a pick I have very opposing feelings on - seems he has talent and could be good - but he could also be a complete failure. I'll settle for hoping like mad that whomever we wind up with benefits the team in the long run.............scary times these are.

 

Now you're just making shit up to make your "point" look less stupid. Need I remind you that Mike Minter got in Delhomme's face over an interception? Being competitive to the point that you occasionally clash with your teammates does not mean that you're a bad apple, and by all accounts, Vernon Davis has very good character. Meanwhile fattening up on macaroni and turkey before your team's biggest game, loafing through practices, and blowing off interviews are definitely signs of bad character.

Wrong. I'm not aware of anyone else in this draft engaging in behavior like White's. Also note that a suspect work ethic and other character issues have been mentioned about him all through high school and college, so it's not like this is some kind of fluke.

Wrong yet again. I'm quite sure that Pete Carroll would have much preferred that White actually show up to the game in shape instead of 20 pounds overweight, but at the same time, yes he was their best short yardage option even then. And while it is speculation, it's fair to say that an in shape White might have gotten those critical yards. Then the argument that he carried the team is somewhat suspect, for while he did put up good numbers, rarely did he do so by running over Texas defenders. Most of his gains were a result of superior blocking.

No, they make me look like an asshole. Your comments are the ones that make you look like an idiot, because they're ones that are easily proven wrong.

 

I'm pretty sure that if Pete Carroll had wanted White at a lower weight, he could have. Carroll is still the coach and White was in the USC system. Unless White is going out and buying McDonald's every night under Carroll's nose, then the Strength and Conditioning program as well as the 'training table' could have changed White's diet and conditioning so that his weight wouldn't balloon up.

 

What points did you "easily" prove wrong? None, so there you go again. The fact that you talk makes you look like an asshole, Collin. The points you try to make makes you appear like an idiot. I don't care what you believe as far as me making shit up. I got better things to do than live in a fantasy world, unlike some. Would you like me to call ESPN and see if they want to fire Kiper and see if they would like to hire someone with as much knowledge, facts and insider info as you have? I'm sure they would jump at the chance.

 

White's mandated playing weight at USC was 235, and there are reports that the coaching staff clashed with White over that repeatedly, but Carroll is also a "player's coach" and knew that he needed White, so I imagine he was inclined to let things slide. And White was more brazen about being out of shape this season when he figured he'd be leaving for the draft anyway.

#1) Your idiotic assertion that Vernon Davis arguing with his QB made him someone with bad character (nice how you just ignored the point about Minter).

#2) That White's character concerns are shared by "plenty" of other players. They most certainly aren't.

Dude, I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch, but the more you keep talking, the more ignorant you look. As the old saying goes, it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a moron than to open your mouth and prove it.

 

OK - I really don't give a fuck either way, but please post a link from Carroll or his coaching staff that confirms this.

If it was "mandated" then Carroll should have benched his fat ass whenever he was over it.