Translate our defense into a 3-4

I dunno, 6-10 is a possibility. That's not so much different from 7-9. They came out flat against the Eagles and are still trying to recover.

Heck, look at the Titans, they are getting drubbed by the Jaguars right now. They were an elite team last year.

I don't think firing Fox is the right move, because I don't think there are very many coaches who are as good as he is that are available and that will have the consistency that he has.

There are a lot of teams who would kill to have the record the panthers have had in Fox's tenure here. I see him as a Jeff Fisher type of coach. He's gonna win you a lot more games than he loses you over the long run and he'll probably get you a super bowl eventually. The panthers are going through a transitional phase right now, but I don't know that transitioning the HC is the best decision. It's very rare that you go from Billick to Harbaugh.

Firing a guy who takes you to a super bowl rarely works out well. Where is Tampa Bay now? I know Fox isn't the best guy in the game, but he is one of the better ones.

 

There's Cowher who only took, what 15 years to win a super bowl?

 

Fan expectations are really stupid across the country, but supporting John Fox may end up being a great decision. He's shown he can get to a super bowl (and hell, he almost won one) with a decent QB.

Unfortunately, I think Panther fans would still want him gone, even if the Panthers had won that Super Bowl. I don't understand how people can want Andy Reid gone either.

How long was Dungy in the league before he won a title? Vermeil? Coughlin?

 

which 6 teams are you thinking we are going to beat?

 

Bills, Dolphins, Bucs twice, Cardinals, falcons at home, and washington redskins are all winnable games.

I also would say that a surpise win isn't out of the question (Giants, Jets, Patriots, Vikings). I doubt the Panthers beat the Saints in NO, but possibly at home. I don't think they have a prayer at the playoffs, but really 6 wins isn't that crazy against this schedule, even with the slow start.

 

Gantt had a relevant point about Fox v/s Fisher.

And absolutely, you have to make a move to get better. I can take any Super Bowl winning coach and devalue them right off.
First, I can't think of a coach who's won one in two places. Not Lombardi. Not Allen. Bill Walsh's last six seasons in SF - he lost in the wild card one year and it was a major disappointment not to make it at least to the NFCC, he couldn't win the Pac-10 outright after that and finished with two losing seasons.
So -
Holmgren: Sure, WCO. That's fine. Handed QBs and not always a winner. Defenses only good under Shurmur.
Shanahan - couldn't win the AFCW with a two game lead. WCO with consistent problems on defense and continually fired DCs. You could say he had problems without Kubiak.
Gruden - team quit on him at 9-2. Suddenly a hero because he's in the booth. An O guy who relied on someone else's defense. One of his best "assets" might be installing the defense that people right now are criticizing.
Cowher - all his assistants are gone (unless you want to hire Haslett, who's not in the league, or Chan Gailey, who got fired in preseason), he won't have Lebeau. Kordell years show what he can do without a QB. Would've been fired a few times over here based on fan expectations. Did he make his assistants? Or did he get made by Lebeau's? Some might also say he was a product of a great franchise that has produced winners since he left.
Billick - made some great defensive hires and made way for that defense to succeed, but never built anything like Minnesota for QBs, WRs, and it's clear that the successor has done better on offense without being an O guy.
And then most of them are offensive guys who have WCO backgrounds. I don't mind that - I'm a WCO guy. You can find a QB and we have secondary targets. Would any of them be able to fix a defense?

There are some who make the decisions - they have to make it from a rational and fiscal standpoint. Then there are others - fans - who get infuriated with a 7-9 season and expect playoffs every year, thinking we have Super Bowl talent (Barnidge, Kemo) and we're simply not coaching them well enough.

I don't think I saw us being 0-3 in my worst nightmare. I don't think I'd realistically say that I figured us to be 3rd or 4th in our division. I also think we'll have to find a very good head coach to find a way to replace him adequately. You can say that the guys they left behind last year weren't the right decision - I don't know. Maybe that's going to be his undoing.

 

What was his point about Fox vs Fisher?

 

identical record this year, identical record since 2002, neither have Super Bowl wins, both have one loss. Comparing to Fisher makes irrational fans have to look at something they're not tied to rationally, so it makes them ask if they'd fire Fisher this week.

Also said that fans that want Fox fired right now, as in that expect there to be a firing within the month, are 'the lunatic fringe' which pissed a lot of people off.

 

Yeah, I'd agree with that. I think Fisher is probably a better coach, but not light years ahead. I think either coach is capable of winning a super bowl. Plus, people love to forget what came before.

 

Magnus, sometimes I just can't figure you out, sometimes I want to give you credit for knowing what you're talking about,,,,, but then you make comments like "you never saw us going 0-3 in your worst nightmare"... I dunno...

I SAW IT,,,, hell I saw it in week 1,,,, not to sound like a smartass but anyone who didn't have their head buried in the sand HAD TO SEE IT. The reason is simple, we've actually lost 8 games in a row now to be completely truthful. We got blew out by the Cardinals in the playoff game, we sleptwalked thru 4 preseason games (I know preseason don't count, but we weren't competitive with anyone's starters in 4 preseason games), then Jake goes out and lays another egg in Week 1 of reg.season. Honestly has the last 2 losses really surprised you? Really?

Powerbait, I hope we run the table with a win streak, but realistically out of the 6 winnable games you have listed above,,, I'd have to say right now Dolphins (tossup), Falcons at home (loss) and Cardinals (loss).

I don't know if firing Fox is the answer or just the start,,,,,,,,,,, I really don't know,,, but like someone on ESPN said the other day, "the Panthers have got some work to do".