Stats

Alot of talk about not letting young qb's get into a rhythm. I thought these were interesting stats:

When Delhomme has to throw the ball we lose more often than not.

Win / loss over Jake's tenure when he throws 30+ times:

2003 - 5 wins 2 losses
2004 - 2 wins 8 losses
2005 - 1 win 5 losses

We have to run. Delhomme's stellar playoff record is due to a punishing run game - he threw 33 times in the Super Bowl, we lost. He threw 14 times in Philly.

We have to run it.

 

run forest run.

 

way oversimplification. Saying "we lost because we passed so much" would be horridly irresponsible - just like the "if we get 30 carries we win x amount of the time" argument. We got behind in most of those losses, had to throw. If we'd been behind and ran more, we wouldn't have won those games, they just would've ended sooner.


Running's great. Somewhat lower risk, takes time off the clock if you want it, definitely good to have it. If it works well, use it. If it doesn't work well, do it some anyway. But if it doesn't work, don't rely on it. Luckily, in our playoff history, there's a Philly where we didn't need to do anything to win, and there are a couple games before it where we could run but won it passing.

 

We didn't lose because Jake threw the ball in the Super Bowl.

We lost because we couldn't stop the patriots from throwing the ball in the Super Bowl.

If the Panthers win that game, Jake gets an MVP trophy.

 

I kinda thought was Mags said was obvious. There are alot of factors. The stat wasn't meant to indict ( although he bears responsibility in many cases )Delhomme, or to indict 'passing'.

It was meant to illustrate that this team is built on the run. Our gameplan is running. When we get off our gameplan, we don't perform as well, for many reasons.

I have also taken Henning's interview from last week to heart. I noticed that on our first posession in NY - we were 3rd and 13 in our territory. Pass play (not a draw) sack/fumble. Lucky break we got it. Could've changed everything.

We were in the same situation in Chi-Town last time, first series, 3rd and long, Jake got picked by Vasher.

Patience - patience - run it.

 

If you can't stop the other team, you can keep them off the field by running the ball. We could not run the ball. Until Harrison went down, we couldn't pass it either.

One could argue that if we could've run it, and driven slower, we'd have won that game. But we could not.

Not blaming Jake - sorry if I implied that. Blaming the inability to run it.

 

we got behind because we were too conservative. We almost won because we figured it out after 25 minutes of game clock and matched the pace.

Setting the pace of the game doesn't work when you can't actually force the other team to play your game. Hopefully, if we come out that way, we'll have the necessary running ability to set up third and 3 or less, but if we don't, I hope we don't just sit on the ball and hope.

 

the thing is, it's not obvious to everyone. Headcase actually said he'd rather go home and not make the playoffs if we couldn't win running.

I just want to win. You suggest we run less if it's not working, and there's a fair amount of people that still go apeshit about it. Like calling the run more will make it work more, not less.

At any rate, it's the playoffs. You have to make some of those 3rd and 13s to win football games. Or better yet, not get in 3rd and 13.

 

I think as long as we have the THREAT of a running game, then Jake can throw 5 million times, but the problem is that When teams KNOW Jake's gonna throw there's more trouble. I think you'll find that with ANY QB in the NFL.

 

He doesn't need to throw 5 million times, and I hope he doesn't, but we need to make a couple plays. And to expect him to make 2-3 good deep passes on a deep-susceptible secondary, he's not going to just sit there and throw once a quarter.

I'd much rather have sustained drives than anything, because if/when we have a lead, 3 runs, the 3 minutes or less off the clock, and potentially not winning field position because of it, won't help that much.