rookie qb and 1-15 seasons

Anyone know how many times when teams have went 1-15 it has involved playing a rookie qb for exented periods? Here in 2001 it happened that way. Dallas went 1-15 Aikman's rookie year and he played a lot. The Dolphins went 1-15 a couple of years ago, who was their QB? Who did the Lions have when they went 0-16?

 

Matt Ryan went 11-6 in his rookie year.

Joe Flacco went 13-6 in his rookie year.

Sam Bradford is 4-4 in his rookie year.

The trend, of late, points to highly-touted prospects going to teams where QB was pretty much the missing ingredient, and having instant success. I can't speak to the whole 1-15, 0-16 scenario, because with those teams, there were entirely too many weak spots beyond QB to even make a fair analysis.

I would like to think, offensively, that our OL didn't decide to be shitty overnight. They've been together for a while now, and if Otah comes back and maintains good health, you can build a very good team in 2011.

Kalil--ehh. He's a favorite of many analysts, and some fans. I think he's probably going to command a bit more than he should as a UFA, and I think it may be wise to take a hard look at that move before scratching a big check.

WR? Assuming Smith stays--no reason to believe he won't--you have a pretty deep group of emerging threats, not to mention the unknowns (Edwards, Devin Thomas, Clowney).

The backs don't suck. Stewart looks old, and I'm sure he feels old, so you may need to begin thinking about the inverse of what many have suggested: locking up 34, consider keeping 33 long-term, and explore another complimentary back for 34, whether it's a vet or a rook. A guy like Correll Buckhalter, with their overflow at RB in Denver, might be available in 2011. If he's healthy, he could do a few good things for you, including ST.

But as far as the QB position goes, it will depend largely on how our future QB meshes with his entire offensive unit and OC. Clausen/Pike: way too early to tell. I guess I was just a little alarmed by the number of snaps fumbled under center by Clausen, when you have a "Pro Bowl" center and you have experience in this "type" of pro-style offense.

Right now, with no healthy RB's, fuck it and chuck it. Spread the fucking field, put the Pikeman in the gun, and see if he can become a quick study.

Problem is, Fox won't even dare try that. Fox has two rules in life:

1. Always add rum to your Monday morning coffee.
2. Always have at least one worthless TE and FB on the field together, in any formation look, at the same time. Shit, we've split FB's wide before--often.

Dumb cunt.

 

Peyton Manning went 3-13 his rookie year

 

Flacco, Ryan and Big Ben did well but prior to them I think the record was 7 wins way back when Marino was a rookie.

Rookie Stats
Elway 7TDs 14Ints
Marino 20 TDs 6 Ints (wow)
Aikman 9TDs 18Ints
Favre did not play as a rookie
Steve Young 11TDs and 21 Ints (19 games with Bucs to start his NFL career)
Joe Montana did not play much as a rookie
Peyton 26TDs 28 Ints
Kerry Collins 14TDs 19Ints (LOL)
Drew Brees played one game as a rookie
Eli Manning 6TDs 9Ints

Those are some guys who were successful to one degree or another. There are plenty of other guys like Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Cade Mcnown, David Carr and Joey Harrington who were mostly busts.

If you guys want to be better next year and contend for a playoff spot then the odds are against it happening with a rookie starting QB. We need to hope either Clausen or Pike shows some growth or that we sign a good vet in the off season.

 

Correll Buckholter is 32, has bad knees, and is averaging a whopping 2.2 ypc this year. He is beyond cooked.

Deep group of emerging threats? Is it the amazing 88 pts they've put up for the year on offense that makes you think that? Smith is also 31 and its not like a guy that relies on his speed and cutting ability is going to get any better at that age. Not to mention his injuries. There aren't many teams with worse predicaments at WR.

Smith & Williams/Stewart should've been traded before the deadline.

This team has a ton of holes, much like those 1-15 teams you mentioned above. D-line, WR, TE, and depth all around. They need to dump anyone over 30 via trade or just dropping them, and start fresh with some sort of plan.

 

I'm no GM, but I'd be willing to say it's never a good idea to trade good players when they're stuck in the middle of a mess, injured and not having their best seasons--due partially to factors out of their control.

Stewart does appear a little slower, so I can see your point. But trading Williams and Smith is laughable. Not now, not yet. You'd get shit for value in return, since we're the shitbags at 1-7, and the rest of the league would have us by the balls on it.

Part of the reason we're around 10 PPG, in case you've missed the seven losses, would be a collective suckage from the entire offensive unit. We have absolutely no direction at QB, our pass protection AND inline blocking has been pure crap.

To me, Gettis has been one of the FEW bright spots of the entire season. Pay close attention to him, not just when they *rarely* throw it to him. His route running is extremely polished and his effort level is second to none. His numbers have been very good, and if they can keep him healthy and keep him active, he'll give this goddamn offense around 50 snags for 600 yards and a few TD's. Probably about the same we would have gotten out of Moose, less the veteran leadership and level of run blocking.

Lafell, I'll concede that one to you sir. One nice TD won't cut it. But he's 2nd-round talent from a major SEC program that has produced Dwayne Bowe and Dev Henderson. We'll see there. Beyond that, Edwards will only be as productive at WR as his next set of coaches push him to be. Clowney is very solid, good hands, smart and can play any ST unit. Devin Thomas--piece of shit in DC, but plenty of neutral advocates for him around the league, if he can get his ass on the field.

So, while we're not looking at fucking Rice, Taylor, Brent Jones, it's a good core to build around. We have options, some of which (at least 3) are pretty good ones. If you can go into 2011 with Smith, and two other fearless fuckers who won't shit their pants, you'll be better off than most of the NFL. Your next step would naturally be to either get Clausen's mind right, or get a veteran to manage the game--even if he's, um, in his 30's. You can go ahead and throw in a more productive RG, and I promise you--the more I go back and watch these games from 2010, the less I see from Kalil. Centers, by nature, are not shaped like Leonard Davis, but he almost looks like a child out there sometimes.

I will NEVER FUCKING UNDERSTAND why fucking Fox wouldn't push Wharton to LT, Gross to RT, and fill the interior line with big, respectable bodies. Having two bona fide T's is so crucial to a team's offensive progression. We have two of them sitting right there, and yet, asshole lame duck doesn't give two shits enough to make the adjustment.

Or--HA! Jerry won't dare allow Wharton to move outside, where he belongs, and shine. That would mean--wait for it, wait for it--more money.

And, FWIW, I want Roy Williams here in 2011.

 

If Otah comes back then Gross at LT and Wharton at LG makes sense. If Otah is done, and he could be, then Gross at RT and Wharton at LT makes sense too. Just add two huge guards and keep Kalil and we should be solid. The guards do not have to be great just big road graders like Vincent.

It really sucks that Duke Robinson has not panned out. He could have helped out a lot this year at RG if he had been what I hoped he would be.

If we have a top five pick and we do not trade down then we really need to take the BPA even if that player is not a need. The only positions where I would probably not go BPA is RB and MLB. Every other position could use some help. Looking at the mocks there are a couple of corners projected to go pretty high. Maybe we go that route and let Marshall walk?