richardson's plan

But he's involved with it. He does watch some film. He absolutely trusts his scouting department to do their thing and bring him recommendations, then they make the decision together. Meanwhile, Hurney absolutely is the one completely responsible for contracts. That's his job. That's why he's here. Remember all the talk about him supposedly being a "cap expert," and that's why he was elevated to general manager? He is 100% responsible, but for some reason you want to pretend like it's Richardson. JR doesn't negotiate contracts. Yes, he has to agree if Hurney wants to give Free Agent X a contract for Y dollars, but it's Hurney who negotiates the terms and decides what "Y" will be.

 

Rob Rodgers. So, no. I mean, the press has specifically noted RR as the cap guy, negotiator.

Again, I just don't think you're on the same page with most everyone with what's going on at the stadium. I don't think anyone else really thinks that 2010 was Hurney deciding to be cheap. At the more extreme, most anyone would agree that JR is extremely involved.

Hey, like I said, I get it. Your input into this is starting with a distaste for Marty Hurney and working outward from there. That's fine, and I'm not saying the opposite because I'm somehow defending the guy - I've always been in favor of a GM that has the full authority, but there's an owner that hasn't wanted that in 14 years, and I think you can see why I'm saying that.

 

hey, i detect some intellectual dishonesty in this thread. you two better shape the fuck up.

 

couldn't be, not around here.

 

You're giving credence to the same people who hyped Dameyune Craig back in the day. There are people who know how the NFL works and people who don't. People who know are aware that owners like Richardson don't micro-manage their teams. The owners who do are the ones who also serve as GM, such as Jerry Jones, Al Davis, and Mike Brown.

I call it like I see it. Just like with Seifert, who you defended. Just like with Delhomme, who you defended. Hurney is the general manager, and trying to pretend like the general manager is not responsible for how much players get is absurd.

Come on, man. You blasted the shit out of Capers for his moves, and rightly so since he never should have had that kind of authority (although he was a good coach). Now you want to pretend like Richardson has been pulling the strings all along.

 

I'm not empowering the average fan, I'm just telling you what most of us understand to be true, even most of the people who, like yourself, are primarily invested in saying to get rid of Hurney. While ignoring that I just corrected you on who the team says is the contract and cap guy. That part gets ignored, probably the intellectual honesty, right? Having to admit you didn't know that would poke holes in whether you know what's going on in there.

We know why Capers suddenly got power. Struggle between (a supposedly passive) JR and Bill Polian. Same reason Seifert got power he didn't need, same reason Hurney was elevated to do it.

 

I have nothing personal against Hurney, I just know that he's made way too many mistakes and should have been fired a long time ago. It's not personal with me the way it is with you. You feel like defending the front office is your responsibility as a fan. Hell, you defended Seifert against absolutely anything because you were in love with him. My issue with Hurney is simply that he's done a bad job and the Panthers would be better of with someone else.

Fair enough. I was wrong for saying that Hurney was "completely responsible for contracts," but he's still the general manager. He's the guy in charge of that stuff. That's his job.

Good point about Seifert. You want to pretend now that Seifert came here knowing that Richardson was pulling the strings? Come on. You didn't start saying that Richardson was behind this stuff until the last year or so.

 

I'm not defending the front office, I'm telling you that your idea of what the front office is, to bolster your own points, isn't a correct one. I've often stated that I'd prefer a real GM, but don't have your level of emotional investment into it.

 

Except that it is. When Capers was in charge, you blamed him. When Seifert was here, you didn't say Richardson was making those decisions. It's only the last year or so when you've suddenly decided that JR is Jerry Jones.

 

that's a lie, I've directly stated that Richardson had a very major hand in the age we acquired in 2000 and the sudden change of direction in 2001 that didn't suit Seifert at all. I've also stated that major words from the org around 99 said that Gilbert was a JR decision.

And it's not as if JR, checking in on Deshaun Foster in the hospital, had anything to do with DF's transition tag or contract. I stated that at the time, too.
I'm sure there are others I've stated, but a handful is definitely more than zero before this year (which he had the largest hand in, too, as he himself has said).