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Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Thelt, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. presidence99

    presidence99 This MARRIAGE?

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    Orton is signed through 2011, and I wouldn't trade for that.
     
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    There's a few around here who think I hate Clausen. Couldn't be father from the truth. I liked the pick then, and appreciate it now.

    This is a week-to-week deal, so Moore could come out with the Saints on Sunday and toss 4 TD's. Probably won't be the case, but I don't think anyone saw him pulling off what he did December 2009, plus the Frisco game in 2010.

    I think I'm starting to see why the coaches have always held back on Moore a bit, and it's nothing physically-related. He has all the tools, and is a very good passer. Mentally, I'm beginning to wonder how resilient he is. He admitted that he didn't play "loose" in the two early losses, and you could see the tension yesterday. Heaving up a terrible pass on the first play from scrimmage, no matter what the circumstances or play-call, was just a continuum of Delhomme's mental breakdowns.

    Mags said it last week, about Moore having to prove his ability to not spazz out in the pocket for another week. Well, he failed the test, miserably, yesterday. It's not all his fault, but some of it is.

    At 1-5, and a sense that we could go into St. Louis and build on a 300-yd passing effort, I was of the mindset that Moore took the time to self-study, learn from the first few weeks of the season and grew up. I'm just not seeing it.

    Clausen's problem are much more simplistic, and potentially more correctable--fundamentals: QB/C exchange, QB/HB exchange, clock management.

    Laugh. It's cool. But to me, in this year's NFC, there's a huge difference between a 2-game winning streak and going to 2-5 and reverting back to "10 points per game" slipping down to 1-6.

    Clausen played the Saints, and played them fairly well, on the road earlier this year. If Richardson/Hurney/Morrison (the only three sure bets to be here in 2010) all agree that they want to build this team around Jimmy, then go with it and let's see what he can do.

    Moore was my vote because of the "best chance to win" angle. After his performance yesterday, and his collective body of work in 2010, I am losing faith that he will ever be a solid starter in the NFL.

    Then again--you have to consider the fact that anyone who steps in at QB for the 2010 Panthers will be playing with not only a very young unit, but a very incapable staff on that side of the ball.
     
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    I don't necessarily think that Clausen played well against the saints, I just think he didn't play as terribly as he and moore did on all but one other occasion.

    We've scored 8 touchdowns this season. We fucking suck - that includes Clausen.

    I'm pretty certain that if we go into 2011 with the expectation that Clausen wont suck, we're gonna suck.

    I'm fine with the Clausen pick. Not a bad gamble for a potential franchise guy. But I don't think he ever will be.

    Bummer, dude.
     
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    Bummer, for sure.

    Fox has never entered a season with really strong plans on offense. I don't know any other way to say it, really. We are simply a clumsy-ass offense, under Fox, in the first quarter of a season. (2002, 2003, 2008 exceptions). Even in 2005 (playoff year) we were shitting the bed offensively vs. a terrible Saints team and an average Dolphins team. 2007 wasn't a bad start for Jake at all, until his arm fell off. We'll never know how that would have ended, but he and Davidson had some good mojo working early on that year (although most of Jake's stats were against the god-awful Rams, garbage-time vs. Houston, and the woeful Falcons).

    I'm not saying Fox doesn't care about his offense. I just think he's as much of a micro-manager as any HC in the NFL, and he has probably gotten in his own way with his "Geroge Allen, too slow to adjust" philosophy.

    Good coach, good dude, loves to be loved. Will make a fine coach elsewhere. I'm just not really seeing much, collectively, since opening day 2006 that impresses me.
     
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    McNabb will be available in 2011. I'm believing it more and more every day.

    It's outrageous to think we would even go there, but Shanny is not really diggin' it, and it's a one-year deal. If the Skins stay on their current pace, with their current crop of WR's (that could be worse than ours), he will want to shop around. His price tag will not be as high as it once was, but it will be high enough that only a few teams--with that specific need--will go for it.

    I would, and Carolina should entertain the thought, if they are not already doing so.

    Going into '11 with the same 3 QB's, or no additional starting-caliber QB with at least 7-10 years around the NFL scene would tell you one thing: JR is behind a permanent youth movement.

    As for the trading block, trades are more prominent, and we all know Hurney doesn't mind spending draft pick--nor do I, so long as your return is there.

    With all that said, no QB will succeed in a non-spread scheme without a consistent threat of 4.5 to 5.0 YPC, where this team frankly should be right now if not for shitty ass blocking up front. Tired of the 9-man box horeseshit. That's been happening around here since 2008, and all the sudden, our backs suck?
     
  6. Coach Micool

    Coach Micool Let's Go Brandon!

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    Speaking of McNabb, he's a pretty good QB, but I actually understand him being pulled (kinda- Though with grossman???wtf) because his 2-minute drill absolutely sucks. He runsa very slow offense when eveun under the gun to score with less than 2 minutes left. really. he displays this fact every time he gets into that situation.
     
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    All that was is Shanahan being a fucking idiot.

    He stormed into Washington on his fucking high-horse and dealt with the Haynesworth situation about as unprofessionally as a head coach should. Those kind of matters are either dealt with in-house, or you trade him if he's that big of a problem.

    I couldn't believe what I saw yesterday. McNabb's Super Bowl debacle? I have no idea, but I have a thought that Reid had a hand in that, too.

    Since his rookie year, McNabb has 23-game winning drives in his back pocket, along with 15 comebacks in the 4th quarter. What skews that number is the amount of times the Eagles have led late in games over McNabb's tenure there.

    Yea, all I have ever heard about McNabb is he is a good leader, his teammates love the guy, and he throws a good deep ball. To install Rex Grossman into a two-minute offense is not fair to either QB, given the utter lack of talent on the O-Line and at WR.

    Grossman--wow.
     
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    We're at the bottom of virtually every offensive category. I'd say that puts us a quarterback, a revamped offensive line, a receiving corps, and a new scheme away from being competitive.
     
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    we have to get better at offensive line, right now Brady or Payton could be back there and it wouldn't help much
     
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    It doesn't take much, really. Just better run blocking would be a good first step.
     

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