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Peppers roughing the passer call

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by PantherPaul, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. magnus

    magnus Chump-proof

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    judgement calls are going to get called in a form people are going to disagree with. Them being fulltime officials couldn't hurt, though, and having time to study more during games and alerting teams in advance on how things will be called if there's room for judgement/error. Another thing that requires process in this is the idea that since it's a judgement call, that reviews should be a correct call of that scrutiny, not whether the call was undisputably overturnable. Because of the manner of the current replay system, it's not to the point of correctness, it's to the point of whether the referee can defend his call enough to let it stand. The idea of replay is to clean up the judgement process in split seconds, and from multiple angles, given time to review, and I don't know they're getting that done.

    This particular call was a crap call.
     
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    I can almost give Hoculi a pass because it is a split second judgement call as to the severity of the hit - but even though it's not a reviewable call during the game - the league does go back and review hits like that after the fact and fine players if they delivered a bad hit.

    If its borderline or questionable - don't throw the flag. Let the player get punished with a fine if necessary but don't go taking points off the board on a borderline play.
     
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    It is difficult to call live action, but replay on the screens wasn't slowed down and to me (certainly a biased fan) it didn't look helmet to helmet. Pep's shoulder hit his shoulder and it even looked like Pep was being careful to avoid any head contact - his head was slightly tilted. And I will say despite my bias, I have often said we got away with one. In fact there was a later call against the Falcons that I said out loud was our make up call for the shitty call on Peppers because the Atlanta player called for whatever hadn't done anything wrong.

    You can't review every call, but I think if points or possession turn over ARE involved DIRECTLY with that play (not two or three snaps later) it should be reviewable. We don't want 8 hour games, but no team wants to win or lose based on a bad call.
     
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    Agreesome. The money riding on NFL officials is staggering. That they're part-time employees is utterly ridiculous.
     
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    Ryan sold that call more than Hochuli made it. Ryan's head snapped back, but there was no contact helmet-to-helmet.

    My angle of the play (from 18 yards behind the hit, field level in my camera) shows Peppers actually adjusting his head angle before the hit, in order to avoid the hat-to-hat contact.

    Hochuli blew it. Luckily, in the end, it didn't matter.
     
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    So, is he going to apologize to us via e-mail?
     
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    this really doesn't help his cause, and while remorse and the ability to state a mistake is allright, this really makes him look like he just doesn't make good decisions. I'd be fine with him saying he may have had that call wrong but don't blubber about it and move on.
     
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    Hochuli flat out blew the call, but it's a bad rule to begin with. Peppers has been hit with that flag before just for grazing the quarterback's helmet. It should get 15 yards if there is a violent head to head hit, but not if a hand touches the helmet or there is incidental contact after the initial hit.
     

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