Panther's Running Back Failure(s)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Having seen the play I believe Collin is talking about (timestamp 3:25 1st Q) I'm going to give him 30 minutes to recant his "expert" opinion before I rip his "expert" opinion apart. If you can Panther fans, please take a look at this play. Unless he recants his previously stated "expert opinion" that it was Hoover's fault I can honestly say that I could never take his "expert opinion" on face value again.

As much shit as you gave me regarding not having it in front of me you completely blew it OR had blinders that allowed you to see what wasn 't there so you could make a point not even needed to be made.

30 minutes kid...

 

Cathead:

Yeah, he was, and he failed. I said that from the beginning. But that was at the snap, which was about 1.5-2 seconds before Foster hit the hole (or lack thereof) on the counter. Hoover saw Seidman miss because it was right in front of him, and you can see him look back and forth between Umenyiora and Emmons. He ended up deciding not to block either one, just shuffling his feet and holding his hands out. Eventually, as Foster was just getting hit by Umenyiora, Hoover then decided to go play slap-happy with Emmons.

That is total bullshit and you know it (assuming you actually watched the play and aren't just making this up). Emmons never even came up to the line of scrimmage. He was behind and outside of Umenyiora, and Hoover never even made contact with him until after Osi had his hands on Foster.


PantherSteve:
I meant that you can't get away with being both. Mean dumbasses end up working at Burger King and marrying their sister.


HeadCase:
I already gave facts, Einstein. It's laughable that you think it's my responsibility to make copies of all my DVDs and send them to you, just so you can judge things for yourself. Make your own tapes of the games, assuming you can afford a VCR. Hell, we both know you wouldn't be able to do anything with them anyway. You're dumb, Headache. I'm not saying that to be insulting, as I would be a lot more creative than "dumb" if I was going that route. I'm just being honest. You're genuinely dumb, and as such, you're simply not capable of understanding things at a level that most other people can.

And in case you're wondering, I generally don't need to spend hours breaking down film. I can watch a game live and see things you wouldn't notice if you watched the same thing all day. Believe it or don't believe it, but I'm not just saying that to brag. I rarely watch a game twice, and if I do, it's usually because I'm bored. Mostly I keep a record of games in order to go back and look at particular plays, formations, and players. It gives me a resource I can use if I'm curious about something or if I need evidence to prove a point. So it's not a matter of me having endless free time (which I don't - and notice that you post here a hell of a lot more than I do), it's a matter of me having a gift that you don't.

No, it isn't wrong. No one with any kind of credibility around here is even disputing that (unless you consider Brain to be credible). It's not an issue anyone with adequate football knowledge and a tape of a Panthers game would even dispute. Even Hoover would acknowledge that he doesn't bowl people over, he just positions himself to keep a seam open. And as I said, for the most part that's ok, but we really struggle in short yardage because we don't have people who can blow open holes. Furthermore, I never said that was only Hoover's fault. I said from the very beginning that we don't have blockers who can do that, but there's no question that replacing Hoover in short yardage with a superior blocking fullback would make us much more effective. It's a no-brainer. Hoover just isn't a good blocking fullback (in fact, Sports Weekly ranked him one of the lowest in the NFL, although his skills in other areas made him about average overall in their estimation).


But seriously, Headache, you're a dumb guy and you never support anything yourself, so why do you always ask other people to support their opinions as if you have a reason to doubt its veracity. There's a difference between asking for clarification because you want to be educated since you know that you're ignorant, and pretending like you know that the person is wrong. I give facts and you still can't follow along, because you rode the short bus to school. That's mean, but I'm not saying it to be mean. I'm saying it because it's true, you used to know it was true, and you need to get back to remembering that it's true.



ColinG:
Stop talking to me like you're my equal, much less my superior. No one has ever asked you for your opinion regarding football because no one has ever had a reason to respect what you think. No one has ever had a reason to think you know anything, mostly because you don't. You don't know football and you shouldn't pretend like you do. Call me an ass or arrogant or a dick or whatever, but seeing you pretend that you could lick the sweat off of my nuts is just ridiculous.

 

Okay, as Collin said it WAS strong offset-I so counter. The play looked to be designed for the RB to end for the space voided by the counter action and the cut block of the TE (the "5" hole). Assignments from left to right.

TE - RDE (via a cut)
LT - Middle Linebacker
LG - RDT
C - LDT
RG - LDE
FB - Strongside Linebacker

Everyone manned up except the TE (Seidman) and the Center (Mitchell). The RDE never lost his feet on the cut grabbing Foster by the shoulders and the LDT shugged Mitchell's hold to wrap up Foster's lower legs. In slow motion you can see that Foster was leaning forward and into his dive 2 yards before making contact with DL. It looked like Foster made the right decision to keep it inside. Hoover had his man who didn't get a sniff of Foster.

Now let's assume that Collin is right and Hoover should have been assisting the TE in blocking the RDE. There's a word for when two offensive players block the same guy and one cuts him...it's called a chop block.

 

It's only a chop block if the player in question is engaged first and then cut. Seidman cut (or attempted to) at the snap, which left Hoover with the responsibility of sealing the hole. That meant the SLB if he crashed down (which he didn't) or the RDE if Seidman failed to take him down. That's why you see Hoover looking back and forth between the two players as Foster begins his move back to the left side of the line. But you are correct about one point, which is that Foster made a great decision in cutting up immediately instead of continuing out where the play was designed to go.

And for the record, did Hoover "deliver a blow" to Emmons? No. He didn't push him backwards, much less knock him anywhere, mostly because he never even engaged until the play was essentially over. Hoover stood there and shuffled his feet, hanging Foster out to dry.

 

Oh I AM superior to you in many, many way kid but note I claim neither equality nor superiority to you when it comes to football. Fact is I don't feel even the slightest need to get into a cock measuring competition with you. You call me stupid, I point out your mistakes. You call me a dick, I provide facts that counter your points. You apparently are having gay fantasies about me...well, I'm not touching that one. It have come to my attention that you might not yet even be in your twenties. If this is the case, come back and play when you grow some hair on your balls. It will start to happen once they drop...

Edited for spelling...was typing while putting kids to bed.

 

Except that you didn't point out any mistakes, nor have you provided any facts that I hadn't already brought up myself. You accused me of not giving statistics or sources on the short yardage information, which was bizarre considering that I actually had (nice how you shut up about that after I quoted the post where I had mentioned exactly what you asked for already). You didn't know that Michael Strahan plays LDE for the Giants, you said you hadn't been chasing me around the Morgan thread desperately attempting to disagree with me (and so I linked five posts in that one thread where you had), and you accused me of being unfair since you said Umenyiora hadn't tackled Foster (which he did).

I don't know if it's the pressure of carrying around a name similar to mine or what, but you just need to learn your role. Disagreeing with me intelligently is fine, because statistically speaking, there will probably be times when you'll be right and I'll be wrong. But don't pretend that you're in sniffing distance of my level when it comes to football.

 

I wish I had tape of this game so I could get into the dickwagging too, but I don't. I decided not to tape preseason games anymore. Anyway, the Collin v/s ColinG thing being interesting, I do wonder how one can brag about being superior and suggest that they're not interested in 'cock measuring'. I mean, if everyone's above being like him, they certainly show it in homage of what he does, which annoys me almost as much as when he does it. Maybe more. Anyway, that's my advice - don't go there. He's better than that, and he shouldn't do it. So insert "you" where the "he" is. I'd think that's bad diction, that last sentence, but I've seen worse.

 

I actually don't mind being attacked, as I'm sort of used to it, but sure, the hypocrisy gets annoying. But more importantly, the bigger issue is being ignored by quibbling over minutia. Hoover is not a good blocker, it's as simple as that. He does other things well, but he isn't a good blocker.

 

I meant in OTHER things...you know, in real life. For instance...people like me.

 

You're right, I'm conspiring to again you. I actually didn't get much sleep last night thinking of ways to take you down. BTW, everything you state above shows your have little ability to understand truth. Spin, yes...truth...outside your capability.