Panthers Redskins Preseason Running Game Thread 2008

just saw a commercial that said the game is being replayed today at 1:00in HD on NFLN

 

Actually I never "admitted" anything. You wanted to write it off as bias. The guy makes plays. We need that. He brings more than King in my opinion.

 

Why do you lie about things anyone can see? It makes no sense. If you're going to lie, at least lie about something there isn't clear evidence about:

 

hyping /= hyping relentlessly, but good to see you're worried about talking football rather than personalizing, right?

I have no personal stake in this. I didn't really have an opinion of Rosario before the draft and didn't rave over the pick. I forgot about him until he started showing playmaking at the end of the year. He has something that King doesn't, and if we're going to be shitty blocking one way or the other there, I'd as well have the guy who makes plays out there.

 

"Hyping all off-season" is essentially the same as "hyping relentlessly." Obviously I know that you never admit that you were wrong or that you lied about something, but do everyone a favor and don't make this thread any worse by pretending that those two statements are somehow vastly different enough to warrant opposite responses.

Look, I've got nothing against Rosario. In fact, I've repeatedly said that I believe he'll be an asset to the offense, even though you lie and try to pretend that I'm calling him a scrub. But you keep saying that he was elevated to first string, which is a lie. If you want to keep disputing that, then answer the question as to whether or not the team has ever released a depth chart with Rosario listed over King. You won't answer that because you know they haven't, but for some reason you've decided to be stubborn and insist that Rosario was first string even though you know that's not true.

As I have said repeatedly, and as the article Harwood posted confirmed, they're both going to get used, just in different ways. Rosario is not really a tight end. He'll line up as the weak TE in a two tight set, but he's not going to start over King as the regular tight end. He's not big enough or strong enough for that role. He's an H-back type player. For instance, on his touchdown was he lined up at tight end next to the right tackle or was he split out?

Just drop it. You said something wrong and you got called on it. There's no need for you to try and defend a statement for twenty pages just because you can never admit that you made a mistake. If you don't want to admit that, then just stop talking about it altogether. If you don't choose to keep defending something you said that was clearly wrong, then you won't need to move this thread either, although I suspect that you'll move it and pretend that you were doing it for the forum instead of it being because you want to hide yet another instance of you being wrong.

 

Here's the thing about all this above. You have issues with what I say, and you routinely try to just dismiss things like this. That doesn't work. I realize this isn't about Dante Rosario for you, but being dismissive just isn't a good arguing tool.

Except I never said that. I did say "some scrub TE", yes.

I'm looking for Gantt's notes stating he worked with the 1s instead of King. I didn't make this up, and it's not mutually exclusive that what I posted and the idea of him working in 2 TE, which is just logical anyway, is true as well.

If I can't find it, I'll state I was wrong about that statement, and will still believe he can and probably will play from a tight end alignment this year, and that if they find him good enough to start, that they will do so. If the statement is false, I'm not going to suddenly believe that he can't play the Y.

This is the part I'm specifically disputing. If King and Rosario are on the field together, yes, it makes sense to put Rosario, the athletic player, as the one who can go in motion. That the team has an aversion to starting him, placing him as the tight end or on the right side, on the line, any of that, is false and they've done so.

Besides the idea that you saying definitively what the team will or won't do with players doesn't always work out. I don't know why it's necessary to try to use superlative ideals on things like this, because neither of us know what the team will do and that's generally why I speak in the frame of mind of possibility instead of rigid exclusiveness.

You know how this works. Plus, there's instances of me being wrong all the time, but I really wish you'd take responsibility for your actions instead of trying to blame them on me.

 

Yes, it really is. Why do you pretend like you're the only person I argue with? You said something incorrect about Rosario and I corrected it. Harwood also corrected you and asked you to drop it. You refuse because you can't take anyone pointing out your mistakes.

That he got first team reps? No, I never said that you did. But you're pretending that getting first team reps somehow made him the starter over King. Guys get first team reps all the time without becoming starters. Sometimes it's because the coaching staff wants to see more of them and sometimes it's for other reasons. But as I said, the team has never released a depth chart with Rosario listed above King at tight end. Never. You know that, which is why you haven't disputed that point, but that hasn't stopped you from arguing a point you already know that you're wrong about.

Why you keep lying instead of just conceding that you made a mistake is something I will never understand. The team has never had him start a game on the right side next to the right tackle. It has never happened, so you saying that's false is an outright lie and you know it.

I'm not the one who said something wrong, magnus, I'm just the one who pointed out your mistake. And note that Harwood also pointed out that you were wrong and said "Magnus, please drop it." You're not listening to him either because you can't let anyone get away with saying that you made a mistake. You're going to keep stringing this out and arguing until you feel like you can move it and hide your error.

 

I like them to be actual mistakes, and not just "i think you're making a mistake so I'm gonna make you pay." I'm fine with stating if I"m wrong, but I don't think that lines up with your expectation of what I should be saying or whether that should change my opinion of the player(s).

Just as I don't get this "theroy of false superiority by saying something against the grain", I don't get the idea that I'm embarassed and covering my tracks when people see (and saw) me make mistakes plenty over the last 7 years here and longer before, whether you pointed them out or not.

It states he can play the Y. I believe he can and I'm willing to guess the team believes it too. As I've said a number of times now, if you have two TEs out there, it's only logical to have the bigger player tight to the line and the other player moving around.

That it limits Rosario to only that role is what I'm stating I disagree on.

I also never said it. Of course, teams generally don't release media statements for message board arguments.

And no, I didn't dispute it, never said it happened, and it's 100% correct. What am I missing here? I"m affirming the statement that there was never a depth chart, just to make sure we're clear.

I 100% agree that the team never released a depth chart of Dante Rosario as a 1st string TE. I'm going on a camp report from Gantt, and I later asked him a question based on the ideal of whether he was still 'starting" to get clarification, to which I never received a response.

It's a good thing I never said he started a game on the right side, of course.

I'm talking about you blaming your behavior on me. The statement you quoted was in response to that, not to "being wrong".

I'm not "hiding a mistake" and I'm not "burying" anything. Who am I trying to impress? I'm really not concerned with saying something wrong, which might be a failing in that I do it somewhat often, but that I erred isn't an embarassment or a huge failing. That it does or doesn't line up with your expectations of whether I should give up on an opinion isn't under my control.