Panther Fans....

Where did this 55 number come from that I have seen in this thread referring to the number of passes thrown to Colbert? I think you'll find that to be closer to 100 thrown his way. 55 doesn't even add up when you consider that he caught 47 and dropped 10.

 

ok, 57 then. Sue me.

47 catches + 10 dropped balls = 57 catchable balls thrown to him. The other attempts his way obviously have nothing to do with this stat, since overthrows, etc. do not count as a drop. Yeah, as wild as Jake is at times, it's probably close to 80-90 throws, which means the guys that caught 90 balls and dropped 10 probably had it thrown their way 170 times. Either way, number of times thrown toward is irrelevant unless it's a...wait for it...dropped pass.

The stats people consider a dropped pass to be one that hits the hands of the WR, so the overthrows etc. have nothing whatsoever to do with this argument.

 

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/targetsnumpassesthrownto.html




Being that Colbert doesn't show up here (or in the split AFC/NFC) Colbert probably had under 100.
Being that he wasn't listed in "passes not caught", either, he had under 45 targets/not caught. If you include that as a high limit, and include the 10 drops, that leaves him with under 100 targets.


Not that it matters. I don't really see a point in either side of that conversation, I just wanted to show Mo that stats do, in fact, exist.

 

Don't see Colbert on that list.

 

Colbert was a rookie who prepared all training camp to be the number three or four receiver. He was thrust into the starting role in week two. I think he needs some slack. He had a lot of drops but he made some big plays too. Most wideouts do not break out until their third year anyway. I think we are going to be fine with him starting. We do need to find some depth though.

 

wow, I pulled the 170 out of my ass, and was right on.

I think another good stat is the 1st down catches on 3rd down stat. Shows who was able to move the chains.

 

See edit.
He was probably thrown to about 90 times, but the top listings don't show him.

At any rate, I didn't see much relevance in the topic when I was arguing Colbert's stats, nor do I now. The 10 drops are a concern, because he was sold as sure handed, but the rest of it's bullshit.

Except for that elusive "PDs per target" stat that Mo's gonna pull out of his colon, hopefully through the back end, to shut me up.

Since it exists and all.

 

which makes the 10 drops stand out as a high percentage.

The rest of this isn't directed at anyone in particular, especially not you, VP.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to belittle Colbert in any way, I really like the guy, and loved the pick. I'm just defending the numbers and how they relate to this and that.

Moose is high on the list, so our offense wasn't balanced. Either the coverage was rolled toward Colbert (unlikely), Jake locks on to the primary guy on each play (obvious), or Moose was just playing out of his mind.

I just don't see how people can fail to see that 10 drops out of 57 catchable balls is "in good company" with someone that had 10 drops out of 105 catchable balls (Chad Johnson). First of all, he's not getting open as much as the 105 catchable ball guy (granted, the QB has a lot to do with this), and secondly, he's dropping 17% of his chances. Obviously, this brings us back to Moose, who also dropped passes when he wasn't the focus of the offense. So no, we can't just place all the blame on Keary as there are a number of factors at work here, but you can't dispute the raw numbers when taken as a percentage.


edit: basic math

 

Why dont you guys compare all rookie receivers from last year instead of comparing Colbert to all receivers?

 

Didn't see the "catchable balls" in the earlier post. It only said "attempts"

This doesn't include the last NO game. I guess because it was 2005.
http://www.fantasyasylum.com/stats/target.php