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I wasn't saying that you would want him 5 yards ahead of Gamble, just asking if it wouldn't be better to have him be in that area on most returns, so that it looks normal. Kinda like the way that QB's continue to act like they are passing after handing off.

 

*sigh* It is hard to argue with you when you insist on lying. You said, "Other than the evidence of them practicing this all week, and Fox's own words stating that they called the play, and the idea that Gamble wouldn't have simply thrown it to no one in theory, why would Marshall have blockers and why would he be running up the other sideline from the call for any other reason?"

So you were saying that Marshall wouldn't have had blockers for any other reason than it being a called play, which is why in your mind Marshall having blockers was proof of that, only he didn't actually have blockers.

Lying again. Who brough up the MCM in chat? You did. Why did you bring it up? Because you thought it was an analogous situation. What do you say about it? That the MCM didn't have blocking either, so it wasn't surprising that Marshall would have no blocking. Then, of course, I proved that the MCM did have blocking.


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No, and I already explained why. You don't have a guy do something just for a lateral return you might use once every couple of years. You have the blocker there in case the returner reverses field and needs a block to reach the other side of the field.

 

Hey Collin, can you check and see where Marshall is on returns in the next couple of weeks?

 

I already posted a picture of where he was against Atlanta.

 

You'll have to show me the lie. I never stated that Marshall had blockers.

You did prove that. And then someone else brought up, immediately, that it was different and I agreed. There's no lie there.

 

I know - which is what I was talking about. It seems like him being over there (not in an exact spot x yards away and in front or behind Gamble) was normal. That's why I want to see if he keeps doing that.

I'm wondering if Fanz hasn't nailed it with what he thinks happened. Fox said that maybe MN had a tendency to overpursue and put that play in incase they did - although as you have said, they were not overpursuing yesterday and Gamble just kinda panicked.

I didn't get to see the last part of the game though, so I'm just reliying on y'alll's screenshots and discussion.

I just wish that Gamble had fucked up all the way and thrown the damn ball forward.

 

It looks like he mistook the ref for Marshall.

 

You were the first one to bring it up, though, and you brought it up precisely because you thought it was analogous and because you thought it proved what you wanted to believe. Once you found out that it actually showed the opposite, then you suddenly decided that it was no longer analogous. That's where you're a liar.

 

This could be the smoking gun. So lets just assume that Gamble and Marshall talked to Crossman were given orders to run the play if it was there. Now the question here is who makes the determination? It really cannot be Gamble because he has to field the ball. This means Marshall is in charge of making the call. How would he communicate that back to Chris that it is a go? Well a standing on a invisible marker on the field would be the most logical place. The ref in the picture does indeed look to be in the position Marshall might occupy if the play was good. Chris glances back and sees what he thinks is his guy in his periphery and then executes the play. I am sure as soon as he turns around the oh shit factor took over and even with Marshall running back the play is over.

I wonder what it would look like if we had a field level photo taken at the 40 yard line showing the ref as a silhouette to the other side of the field. Them new stripes may just be too tricky for old Chris..

 

The only thing that I can't figure out is why Gamble got benched if it was a called play.