Muhammad's Salary this year and next

Okay, granted, misusing a player will make him look worse than he is, a la Jerry Rice his last year in SF among others. I think we might both be saying the same thing the same thing here, at least with regard to Muhammad -- it's a both/and situation. He's probably not running routes that fit his ability, but that's not all that's wrong with him. Are we just saying it in different ways, or maybe more accurately, we're addressing it from two different directions?

Agreed. But Meat pointed out earlier that Walter Young, though a 7th rounder, is supposed to grow into a successor to Moose. Do you not think that will happen? I'm not suggesting we should stop looking for top tier WR talent, but what about Young?

I've learned that we should take what comes from the Panthers coaching staff and front office with a large grain of salt. The only two things that have come out during Fox's tenure that have actually been clear and true are 1) We're going to bring enthusiasm back into this franchise, and 2) We're going to run the ball and stop the run -- both of which are happening, if not to the degrees we would like.

I haven't watched the game yet, but I do think Moose is a bad receiver. It's a surprise to me when he actually makes a catch now, and no matter how you paint it, that's bad. Do you disagree?

Agree, 100%.

Probably not. But that doesn't mean he's not the best receiver on this team. Agreed, he's playing over his head and beyond his ability. I don't think that's really in dispute. But I guess my point is, despite that, he's the only one doing much of anything on the field this year consistently, except maybe for Proehl. And for the life of me, I can't understand why he's not getting more looks. Same goes for the TE, and that supports your argument about game planning and usage. I might have more to say on this one after I watch the tape.

True. But when you're 30 points down, and only have one deep threat...

I do too, but I agree that's not the whole problem. You put blue chip wideouts in this game plan, and we're still wildly unbalanced. My hope is that when we do get some really good WR's, preferably a #1 and #2 to push Smith back into the slot, the game plan will change and the playcalling will become more balanced. I'm really starting to think it's about Henning's (and maybe Fox's) confidence level with the players on the field -- preferring to call the plays to their level, rather than coaching them up to where the playbook needs them to be.

 

I know that this doesn't exactly fit here, but to avoid starting another Moose thread, if Moose really has a concussion, do you think that the knock on the head would improve (by accident) his catching skills?

I saw this on kffl.

Panthers | Muhammad Suffers Concussion - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:03:29 -0700

Stan Olson, of the Charlotte Observer, reports Carolina Panthers WR Muhsin Muhammad (head) suffered a concussion during Sunday's, Oct. 19, game against the Tennessee Titans. When asked if he expects to play in Sunday's, Oct. 26, game against the New Orleans Saints, Muhammad said, "I have to just wait and see how it goes."

 

Early whispers are we could be without Moose and Hank this week, I wish Jhank was here to ley us know (I'll start a thread)
and Morgan a few games. here's hoping Young abd baker get a chance.

 

That would suck very badly. They'll put 9 in the box.

Oh wait - they do that already.

Kneel and punt. Kneel and punt.

 

>>Are we just saying it in different ways, or maybe more accurately, we're addressing it from two different directions?

Don't know. From my side, I'm not bringing up drops in a game where Muhsin didn't have any, nor bringing up hamstring deals when that didn't happen this year. And I'm not considering Steve as playing great.
I guess from your side, I'm seeing a finger pointed at Muhammad for the passing O. That's not a terribly fair criticism, but I've seen defense of most everything else. If Muhammad had 35 catches right now, he would be more immune, but we'd still largely suck.


>>Agreed. But Meat pointed out earlier that Walter Young, though a 7th rounder, is supposed to grow into a successor to Moose. Do you not think that will happen? I'm not suggesting we should stop looking for top tier WR talent, but what about Young?

A 7th is supposed to be a starter? I don't believe so. Will Young make a decent posession one day? Sure. Is his presence on inactive going to change us if he's suddenly active? Don't believe so. What we get out of Walter is what we get, but he's not a starter, and we're not apparently in the market for a player who's largely a posession. If you're saying a replacement for Proehl down the road, then certainly, I'd agree with that, but that's not what's being said. We're not going to replace a former Pro Bowler with a 7th, being as how that 7th isn't any faster than said washed up player. We need players who can do multiple things when they're starting.

>> The only two things that have come out during Fox's tenure that have actually been clear and true are 1) We're going to bring enthusiasm back into this franchise,

I'm sure they want that. This team was barely known to the league at 5-0...they run the absolute most boring system in the league. Undoubtedly. Doesn't mean it can't work, but "we're going to win" and "we're going to bring enthusiasm" are separate things. Richardson was the motive power behind "enthusiasm", and after striking out using the names "Dungy" and "Spurrier" since they were exciting names, they picked Fox. Just like how we were going to use the 'gun a lot and mold an offense around what we have.


>>I haven't watched the game yet, but I do think Moose is a bad receiver.

I think you're expecting something of someone, not being open minded. Since, of course, you've brought up two general criticisms of a player rather than criticism of that game's effort. You're going to wait until watching tape to criticise the coaches, but put stock critcisms into a player? And seemingly put the greater part of the offense's problems on his head, too.

>>Probably not. But that doesn't mean he's not the best receiver on this team.

Some of the time, yes. He's had better games than Moose. He's also had much worse games. He's fumbled, and he's had drops, but he doesn't get mentioned for that.


>>True. But when you're 30 points down, and only have one deep threat...

Whose fault is it that we don't have a deep threat? I sure wish I knew. I wish they could get with the coaches and the front office so they could stop making excuses for not fielding an NFL offense.

See also below in reference to the above.

<< I'm really starting to think it's about Henning's (and maybe Fox's) confidence level with the players on the field -- preferring to call the plays to their level, rather than coaching them up to where the playbook needs them to be.

 

Tweren't me said that about Young. Twas some other fucker.

 

I didn't say it either. That was a HB quote.

 

Hawaiiboy?

 

You are correct sir. It was Wp28. My bad.

 

Twas some other fucker

Hey, I represent that...