Mebane

I see overspending on CJ because his talent is in demand, we did not want a division rival to have him, and we have no proven depth behind him. The contract is for the future, so we should pay on what the player promises (talent wise) to bring throughout the duration of the contract. I think there was some rewarding going on here, paying for past performance. You think DW has $43 million worth of football left in him? Hell, he doesn't have $24 million left in him. How many RBs do not hit the wall at 30? For example: Edgerrin James just retired. Look what happened to him at 30. He once had a couple 1500 yard seasons, the last being 2 years before he dropped to 500, then 200. He was not used at much at the U as DW was at Memphis. Sure you have your Emmit Smiths and your Marshall Faulks, but check out the best backs in NFL history and look how short their careers were. Heck, even those with 10 year careers hit a wall of some sort at 30.

Regardless of whether he was worth it or not--We could have used the money at another postition where we have no starting-caliber depth. Hell, if you don't have CBs, you are probably playing from behind, so the RBs are irrelevent anyway.

 

I lay blame on Hurney because that's his job. Owners do not negotiate contracts, they trust their general managers to do that. Therefore it's absurd to absolve Hurney and blame JR. Look, Richardson has screwed up all kinds of things in recent years, but this is not a valid area of criticism.

As I stated in another thread, NFL HBs don't just decline around 28-30 because of their mileage, it's also because the physiology of the body changes around that age. Testosterone production goes down while body fat increases. In pretty much all professional sports you see a decline in speed & agility around that period, while you can see a rise in strength and muscle mass. But for the record, DW also had an extremely high level of use during his four years in college. Not only did he receive a high number of carries, but he also served as a return man.

 

Stop pretending to be stupid. The Panthers were in no danger of losing any of those guys. They didn't just overpay by a couple of million either, they overpaid by tens of millions.

 

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Praise him if you want, but I think Hurney sucks. We tried to trade away our first rounder THIS YEAR to move up to get Clausen last year, but the Rams would not take it. (Why did every team who needed a QB pass on JC? Some twice? What did they know that we ignored--that is what scares me about MH) We traded a first rounder for Everette Brown when FSU DEs have a long history of sucking in the NFL. He traded a second rounder for a 5'10" left-handed, running QB from a no-name school in hopes of converting him to another position. I have to think by the fourth round Fox was out of all discussions, so we draft Eric Norwood, a player who fits a 4-3 as well I fit camel snatch. No fifth rounder because we traded for a lame-ass DT (because Hayden and Irvin -- both drafted 2 rounds too soon--are his answers for that need). Damn. A horney blind porn star at a seafood market could not have screwed up that draft more than
Hurney did. Go back. We have a DeAngelo and Goodson, but Hurney drafts an injured RB from Oregon about to have surgery in the top half of the first round. The injury lasts for 2 years, and has never healed. Sure Stewart is a good player, but what about the fact that we traded away our first rounder the following year and our second to move up for Otah, a player with an extensive injury history at Pittsburgh. Can we really count on either?

Most of what Hurney does is fixing his own mistakes. He drafts Clausen, he drafts Newton. If Newton fails and we repeat, will he draft Luck? He has to. He drafts Edwards, says he will be good and we should be patient, then drafts Pilares. Had the Everett Brown pick panned out, would be happy with Brown and Hardy at DE this year? Probably enough not to have to give CJ $70 million.

He drafts a wild child who was having ACL surgery during the draft and will not be available when the season starts. He has Munnerlyn, a seventh rounder who should be the nickel, and don't forget the Stanford McClain 7th round splurges. He does not like to draft CBs because they are risky. Same with WRs and QBs.

These are not isolated incidents, these are his actions over the last 2 years. Sure, he lucked into some picks like Hardy, but as a rule, he is patching holes and not navigating.

 

The draft has more misses than hits for pretty much everyone when it comes to personnel evaluation. The two things that really annoy the shit out of me are trading future picks and paying way too much for players.

 

sure. I anticipated CJ's contract to not be that far off. Even Collin wasn't as far off when he signed, and then the story changed, in hindsight. I'm not going to pretend I didn't want Brandon Mebane for $5 million a year, but you don't walk up to a counter and say, "oh, well for that price...", you don't have that option. I didn't want him more than CJ, or enough to lay off CJ to get him. I wanted CJ done at almost any cost myself, that's documented.
That other teams got better deals, later in the process, of course. It suggests we paid a premium, which I expected. I can't pretend I'm suddenly unhappy at our contract because the other guy took it in the shorts. I can wish we had more left to do other things, but I can also wish there hadn't been a 30% rule or CBA to have prevented most of these contracts in the first place.

 

That's the way you would define his job. That doesn't mean it's reality. Apparently, you've missed some of the public statements by JR indicating what we would do in free agency. I don't buy that JR is the type of an owner who would let an employee have total control. Just like when some blamed Henning and thought a change in OC would fix all offensive issues, you seem to think replacing Hurney will fix these. He won't be replaced but I'm certain that if he were, the results would still be disappointing to you.

Back to my other question, in your oppinion, is Johnson 3/4 the player Jared Allen is?

 

Stop lying. What I posted was $16 million less than what Johnson actually signed for.

Yes, actually you do. That's a general manager's job, to find out the market and then adjust from your expectations to the actual reality. Hurney should have checked in on Mebane and Edwards, then once he found out that they could be had for a lot less than expected, he could change his plans and pursue them. Also, spending a ton of money on DeAngelo Williams was stupid to begin with. Almost everyone agreed with that before the contract, but after it was signed suddenly all the homers decided it was a great move.

 

$12 million, or $2 mil a year. ZOMG LIAR

 

This is why I said: "Maybe because I'm not completely ignorant as to the way the NFL works. Dude, the only owners who are intimately involved in who the team signs and for how much are the ones like Jerry Jones, Mike Brown, and Al Davis who also serve as their team's general manager. Jerry Richardson does have to sign off on contracts, but he doesn't negotiate them or decide who the team should go after. Anyone who thinks that knows absolutely nothing about professional sports in the United States. "

It's fine that you know nothing about the NFL. I know nothing about cars, plumbing, music, and any number of other subjects. But what I don't get is why you who know nothing about the NFL are arguing with someone who does. I don't argue with a mechanic about engines.

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