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Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by LarryD, Apr 14, 2005.

  1. LarryD

    LarryD autodidact polymath

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    here's one site's analysis of clayton BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED

    When you do the math, the first thing that you’ll notice on my player variables is that Clayton’s totals are higher than Edwards, but I ranked him second to Edwards.* Why?* Because, while Clayton is almost certainly the most talented WR in the country, everyone wants the flashy Randy Moss-type, who’s a home run threat every time they catch the deep ball.* Clayton is an amazing route runner with great hands; he cuts on a dime, can accelerate and catch a pass in traffic at top speed, and then the fun starts.* Clayton is the best WR after the catch, especially in traffic, I’ve seen in nearly ten years.* He moves like a RB after he has the ball.* He’s as strong as a horse and can either make you miss or make you lay down.* Clayton is rock hard, at nearly 200lbs, and blocks like a TE in the run game.* He’s absolutely relentless when he catches the ball, rarely fumbles even though he never goes out of bounds, and fights for every yard.* Clayton is a smart player, able to find soft spots in zone defenses, and is unselfish enough to take a double team all day, while he watches his teammates rack up stats.

    Negatives:

    There’s almost no chance Clayton is the first WR off the board, mainly because he’s not 6’ tall.* If Clayton were 6' 2", there would be a great distance between him and number two.* Since he’s not ideal size, and when you look at the NFL today, getting a guy who can blow up a cornerback who tried to jam the WR, and go up and take a jump ball out of the air, is the standard; those are the two parts of Clayton’s game where he struggles.* He needs to get a better release off the line of scrimmage, which can only come from getting stronger.* Clayton had a huge junior year statistically, but this season promises to see a dip in stats, due to a more balanced Sooner attack, and that will raise some questions about Clayton’s abilities.

    Overall:

    I see a lot of Marvin Harrison in Clayton’s game, given the similarities in size and mentality.* Both guys can run any route asked of them and make any catch to help their team win.* Clayton isn’t the most physically imposing player you’ve ever seen, but watch him take an 8-yard slant route and turn it into a 55-yard TD run, and you see why NFL teams like him.* He’s not the guy you throw the fade to, in the end zone, but he will go over the middle, get open, make the catch, and take the hit from the linebacker and hang onto the ball.* Both TDs count the same.

    Games that matter:

    10/30 @ Oklahoma State, 11/6 @ Texas A&M and the Big-12 title game — Oklahoma State has one of the most talented cornerbacks in the country in Darrent Williams and a matchup that should be fun to watch.* For A&M, they should be ranked fairly high, riding a ton of momentum, and looking to knock the Sooners off…and when I say that, I mean Jaxson Appel will be looking to knock someone’s head off.

    Final Word:

    HEIGHT — This will be the word that keeps coming around in the weeks and months leading up to the draft when Clayton is discussed.* He just has to keep playing hard, making plays, both in the mold of a possession receiver, but also as a deep threat, to keep folks interested.* The success of the Sooners will be a big part of how much attention Clayton can get.

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  2. The Brain

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    I've disagreed with you before, and I've learned from years of experience that I've got a better chance convining Mark Clayton that Troy Williamson has more upside than I do you.
     
  3. LarryD

    LarryD autodidact polymath

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    i get what he's saying though. williamson's potential lies in clayton's tangibles.
     
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    Here is a comment from ESPN.com sited in an article by Pasquerelli:

    Lacks the physical dimension of the bigger receivers in this year's pool, but a wiry build and can take punishment, certainly knows how to protect himself. Much more quick than fast, although he opened a lot of eyes at the scouting combine with his performance in the 40, and that surprised a lot of people who felt he was kind of pedestrian. Smooth and fluid, and of all the top receivers might be the most naturally explosive in and out of his cuts. That's particularly true on the inside routes. Good body control and super change-of-direction abilities. Long arms allow him to play a tad bigger than he is, and he is fearless in traffic and in terms of attacking the ball. Smart and savvy, has played in sophisticated passing game and knows how to get open. Can return kicks.

    Its the part I've underlined that has me so excited about him. I'm not that worried about his height. People talk about Midget Recievers, Pats have been winning Super Bowls without a 6'3" guy for a while now.

    From what I've read and heard: Clayton > Williamson.
     
  5. LarryD

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    great point.
     
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    NOt that we'd take Mathis in the first, but are there any highlights for him?
     
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    are there really that many people hyping Williams because of 3", though? He's a better prospect because he's a better prospect. That Clayton sucks in comparison? No. They're roughly the same player.
     
  8. Collin

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    :supergrin Probably true, but I do respect well-constructed opinions that I disagree with. For instance I disagree with Magnus about Benson, but he has very sound reasons for thinking what he does. I just like for people to think about the reasons why they believe what they do, and especially if they'll explain that reasoning to me. It's always better to hear why Williamson has "huge upside" rather than it just being because someone else said that or because some website thought so (unless the someone else or website explain their reasoning).


    Magnus:
    But how is he a better prospect? I just want that explained and haven't seen it explained anywhere, not here or on any draft site touting him either. If Williamson is only a hair faster and needs to improve his receiving skills just to equal Clayton in that area, where is he a better prospect?

    Please understand that this is a separate question entirely from whether or not Williamson will be a good pro. Maybe they both will, or maybe Williamson will make All-Pro and Clayton is out of the league in three years. All I'm trying to understand here is why people say Williamson is a better prospect. No one has explained it.
     
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    Mark Clayton
    WR | (5'10[​IMG]", 193, 4.43) | OKLAHOMA

    Troy Williamson
    WR | (6'1[​IMG]", 203, 4.38) | SOUTH CAROLINA

    3 inches in height., .05 secs slower, and a year younger which mean he's had one less year than Clayton to develop. If they are on equal par and he's played a year less of football, wouldn't that mean with a year of development he'd have theoretically surpassed Clayton? That's called upside.
     
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    Don't take this the wrong way, but that wasn't anything close to what I was hoping for. It was some pretty shoddy reasoning, in fact. The 3 inches thing is true, and something addressed above. The 5 hundredths of a second advantage is only 3 hundredths according to NFL.com, plus Clayton's actually 7 hundredths faster over the first ten yards and 4 hundredths faster in the 3-cone. Either way we're talking about hundredths of a second. And absolutely no draft site anywhere that I've seen puts Williamson on "equal par" with Clayton in terms of receiving skills.

    So -
    Size: Advantage Williamson (although it seems everyone agrees he doesn't play to his size)
    Speed: Push (to the surprise of many)
    Receiving Skills: Big Advantage Clayton

    I'm still wondering where the upside is. Is Williamson going to get bigger? Faster? Will his receiving skills not only eventually equal but actually pass Clayton's?
     

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