Kemoeatu reportedly at 360+?

Yeah, my point (and I don't know that it was one Collin was frustrated with), is just that given Kemo's and Sunseri's comments, and the clips of Kemo blowing up Bentley (albeit mostly on rushing plays) seemed to cut against the grain of characterizations like "just plain sucks". I wouldn't argue that the Panthers don't have better weapons on clear passing downs, but I do think Kemo will be better than useless in the pass rush.

 

Didn't you mean all on rushing plays? (and it was actually only a few plays which were shown from different angles) Look, I actually burn NFL games to DVDs to keep for information such as this. I actually go back and watch the games to find answers to question that I have. I actually watched Kemoeatu to see how effective or ineffective he was at rushing the passer because this question initially came up when we first signed him. I am the one who knows that he did, in fact, suck at rushing the passer. It isn't just an opinion or an interpretation or something you can reasonably disagree with. You can't. It is a fact that he did not rush the passer well last season, not because he had other responsibilities, but simply because he wasn't any good at it. I've already conceded the hypothetical that maybe Sunseri can teach him something new and maybe Kemo can use new strategies and maybe he can be more effective, but the best predictor of future performance is past performance, and his past performance was not good at all when it came to rushing the passer. Just learn to deal with, and the next time I provide you with information you didn't have, learn to say "thank you."

 

it does show a very good first step, which I believe was noted by all. That shouldn't go away for the pass, and I do believe he can develop rush technique a bit better here, but his overall burst isn't great, despite his strength he's not a great bullrusher once he gets into his man, and he shouldn't ever make a huge impact unless he's just a viewblock. And that's something I believe he'd be near-elite at, clogging vision lanes and batting passes. I assume that's somewhat not unlike what the Ravens used him as, and that we had at times used Burton as.

 

I have to admit that when he was signed I had barely heard of the guy so I looked up his stats and was not impressed. “We just signed a situational run stopping fat guy to a 5 year deal for over 5 mil a year!” I also initially thought that all the hype and focus over a single preseason game was not appropriate. It was preseason and it’s quite possible that Bentley was not at all on his game in that one showing. I hope our staff was wise enough to look at regular season footage before overpaying yet another D-lineman.

quote magnus -
>>>And that's something I believe he'd be near-elite at, clogging vision lanes and batting passes. I assume that's somewhat not unlike what the Ravens used him as<<<

He has 1 PD in his 4 seasons with the Ravens. As far as clogging vision lanes, who knows .. . maybe Collin has some special QB POV footage that he has studied to back that or not


quote Collin -
>>>Just learn to deal with, and the next time I provide you with information you didn't have, learn to say "thank you."<<<

Though you are not one of a kind you are definitely a rarity . . . the sort of person who would rather be right than popular (or even tolerated). Since I don’t have any other dealings with you other than reading your posts on a message board your comments are nothing other than usually informative and occasionally hilarious. Ya never know when some post of yours is going to piss someone off to the point of pencil-snapping exasperation at your blatant arrogance and condescending outright insulting comments. I used to be one of the ones that would allow himself to get upset . . . Now it's so amusing to me that I come by here even more than I used to, so I’ll be the first (and probably the only one) to say Thanks, for not only the apparently “thoroughly researched” insights, but also the amusement factor. :supergrin

 

Very true as well. His wingspan and height, both of which are somewhat large for a DT, are advantageous for such a thing, though non-passing downs passes are more likely to be scripted and/or misdirectional - PA, screens, 3-step without traditional pass protections, etc also.

Hard to say. Could be off-base on PDs. He could have the physical ability, and not the awareness or skill.

 

I guess we really just have to blindly trust on this one. Our staff seems to get the best out of D-linemen and if they can optimize Kemoeatyou than maybe he’ll be worth the 5 mil a year in how he can better stop the run for us and free up our LBs and other D-linemen . . . nothing we can do but wait and see huh? :banginghe

 

C'mon Collin, I'm just quibbling with what I think is hyperbole on your part. We can argue all day about whether Kemo's pass rush "sucks", because we haven't operationalized (to use social science terminology) the word "sucks". (To you, it might mean anything less than 10 sacks in a season. To me, it might mean doing no better than I would.) Several folks, including you, have given me new information in this thread. From GenScope (who posted youtube links like this one) to CarPanthers20, who posted the Gantt article with Sunseri's and Kemo's comments, to lde and magnus, who've added their perspectives. I see a range of data here, from sources I respect. So, thanks to all.:229031_ha

Oh, and rake now too.

 

By saying "sucks" I'm trying to convey the information that the guy is horrible at rushing the passer. I don't just mean that he's average at it or less than stellar, I mean that he's flat out terrible. What I saw from the games is that Kelly Gregg was consistently getting much closer to the QB than Kemoeatu. Hopefully he'll be better than that for us, but I still don't expect him to add anything significant whatsoever in that respect. His job is going to be bitch-slapping the offensive linemen of other teams and making sure that no running back ever, ever, ever does to us what Julius Jones did to us in Week 16.

 

Interestingly I never said you were wrong in your assessment of the Raven's game tapes. All I said was it could be that the scheme held him back from rushing the passer. That is not something you could determine by watching tape. If they wanted him to occupy a blocker so a linebacker could get through or to occupy his gap so that a mobile QB would not be able to run up the middle then you would not know that by watchig tape, it would simply appear that he was being stalemated at the line of scrimage.

 

:banginghe Yes, it certainly is, which you would know if you'd ever actually tried to watch the games critically. First off, you don't ask DTs to occupy blockers to free up a blitzing linebacker. You'd know that too if you knew anything about football. You ask the DT to shoot a gap, which draws the blocker and opens up the other gap for the blitzing linebacker. Kemoeatu was not being asked to do this. And as for maintaining gap integrity, most of the games I watched did not involve mobile QBs (Trent Dilfer strike you as a running QB?), but even if they did, that wouldn't require Kemoeatu to be stoned around the line of scrimmage, especially with every other defensive lineman attacking upfield. When Kelly Gregg advances on the pocket and Kemoeatu struggles to do so but can't, he isn't being limited by the scheme, he just flat out sucks at rushing the passer.

Either shut up or get off your lazy ass and watching some game tape yourself, but in either case, please stop being a dumbfuck.