Jake

I think McFly's point is that he remains concerned because he sees some of the same behaviors that have previous led to stretches of costly interceptions. No, they aren't resulting in that right now, but this is fairly similar to the concerns I expressed about the defense following the St. Louis win. Because you got away with something one week does not mean that you'll continue to get away with it the next.

 

In a nutshell, yes.

 

Who said anything about benching him?

 

do you mean in a row ... because he's had a lot more than 2-3 solid games? in fact, i'm pretty sure he's had more solid games than awful ones over his career here. course that may depend on your definition of solid (please provide). i will go ahead and assume you mean more than 2-3 "solid" games in a row. will 4 "solid games" in a row then summon up confidence in Jake, or will it take more? if so, how many more? and will that then be destroyed by one bad game or one bad pass?

i don't think Jake intentionally throws at a DB except to throw it at his back shoulder (still disagree with Collin and apparently McFly on the pass to King btw) which is usually by design. usually and obviously, i think he's trying to put the ball where only his receiver can get it ... provided the receiver goes where Jake thinks he is supposed to go. i think most of his longer passes this year and even in the past have been where only the receiver have had a shot. even his underthrow to Colbert was where only Colbert had a shot at the ball. and i think he floated that ball because he has no confidence in Colbert and tried lay it in to him too nice and soft. his one INT this year appeared to be a miscommunication between Jake and Smitty. Jake was acting after the pass like he had expected Smitty to cut back in front of the DB. do you know for sure that Smitty ran the route correctly and was not at fault? i don't and i don't know that Jake wasn't solely at fault.

i'm not trying to excuse every pass he's ever thrown. he has made some woeful decisions and some awful playground type of passes in the past and will probably will do so again in the future though I doubt as many. i don't remember any QB that i ever watched on a consistent basis not make a few. does Jake make more than some? yes. does he make so many that i think they make him a bad QB? no. he does too many good things and a lot of his risky plays work out so that i think overall that he is a very, very good QB.

I just disagree on so many levels with every part of this statement "the fact remains that Jake possesses the reoccurring flaw that he just cannot consistently safely spread the ball around in a scheme that either depends on him doing so OR depends on Smith bailing Jake out with superhuman feats." that i don't have the time to address it.

i can accept you thinking jake is a bad QB if you want, i just think you wrong if you do. doesn't change my opinion of you personally one way of the other as to your intelligence. we having differing opinions and hey, that's America.

 

Fair enough, I admit that I haven't read the whole thread, but why is this even a topic of conversation? Our QB is fine....he just needs somebody besides Smitty that he can count on, along with a decent running game. This offense is already scoring more than last year, even with all the fumbles.

 

please keep in mind who we played and the gifts they've been handed

 

Is it just me or is HeadCase even starting to write like Dukey? At least Dukey is nice, though.

 

We've had 5 turnovers, and our defense has created only 3 turnovers. We've given more gifts than we've received, and the offense is still averaging 24 points a game. They couldn't do that last year against anybody.

 

I don't know that anyone's suggesting that Jake is magically gone of his past problems, just that he's playing well. He, like almost all QBs, have negatives, and that's part of dealing with the individual QB. INTs will happen, and we don't want them, nor does he. He's a good NFL starter, and part of the heart of this team, and he's going to make some mistakes.

McFly was suggesting he's throwing directly at the defender, and I don't know about that specifically, but yeah, he's being specifically critical of Jake in the opening post to a level that I don't understand right now. Jake is nowhere near a big problem right now, and while it's inevitable that he's not going to be this good for 16 games this year, I'll take where he's at. He's going to throw to the receiver if he's looking for the receiver to make the play, and if he's not missing an open man elsewhere, that's not the worst thing compared to being the indecisive version of Jake that makes nothing happen.

 

Jake does throw the ball a lot to recievers, particuarly Smitty and when Moose was here, and expects them to win. I don't really remember him doing so with Colbert other than the Tampa game in 04. But he does do it quite often with guys he trusts, so I can back McFly up with that.

The pick was an example of that. He expected Smitty to cut inside with that coverage. To me, that's a tough play to expect Smitty to recognize that quickly, let alone make, against that kind of coverage.


I don't actually like that route combo where the slot guy runs an out behind the smoke route. I see that get picked by the DB baiting in between almost every week, although usually its the QB throwing to the out.

The King throw was a nice catch, but he didn't really win, the guy just turned around. Seemed to me he turned around before Jake threw, but I couldn't swear to it.

Regardless, Jake throws into coverage and expects guys to make plays for him. That won't change with him as QB, ever. News at 11.