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Discussion in 'Food & Drink Forum' started by LarryD, Jul 15, 2003.

  1. LarryD

    LarryD autodidact polymath

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    drink that extra (or first) glass of water today.
     
  2. LadyJane

    LadyJane Some Say Love...

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    I've already downed 72 oz :D
     
  3. LarryD

    LarryD autodidact polymath

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    good girl!

    i dare you to do 72 more.
     
  4. kshead

    kshead What's the spread?

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    I think I am going to float away. But I keep sloshing.
     
  5. LadyJane

    LadyJane Some Say Love...

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    72 more and I'll be up all night peeing :)
     
  6. LarryD

    LarryD autodidact polymath

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    that's the spirit!
     
  7. slydevl

    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    you burn a lot of calories getting up and down like that :D
     
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    the 8 glasses of water per day is a myth...nobody can even find its origin. here's one doctor's commentary:


    Medical Myth: The '8 Glasses Per Day' Rule
    Dec. 10, 2002


    By Robert H. Shmerling, M.D.
    Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center

    From the recommendations of authoritative sources such as the American Dietetic Association, you might think dehydration is a major public health menace. Drink water, you are told — even if you are not thirsty — to improve your health, your ability to exercise, and to avoid the dire consequences of dehydration. Eight glasses a day is a common mantra of health gurus, personal trainers and those promoting weight-loss diets. And a recent e-mail from a major fitness chain recommended even more water: half your body weight (in pounds) should be ingested as fluid (in ounces), so that a 170-pound man would be advised to drink 85 ounces (over 10 glasses) of water per day. What exactly is dehydration, and is all that water really necessary?

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    Dehydration Means Loss Of Water

    The condition of having lost too much water from the body is called dehydration. Symptoms of dehydration include thirst, headache, fatigue and dizziness. Muscles may cramp or ache, especially if exercise is attempted or continued. Because blood pressure may fall, you may feel lightheaded when sitting or standing, and, in severe cases, there may be loss of consciousness, kidney failure and death.

    In general, there are two major mechanisms that contribute to dehydration: too little water intake or too much loss. In fact, most cases of dehydration are due to a combination of the two — for the amount of water lost from the body, there is not enough intake. It is quite true that dehydration is common. But are you at risk?

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    Who Gets Dehydrated?

    The person who is most likely to become dehydrated is a person exercising without drinking enough, a sick child, or a sick elderly person. For a child who is too young to drink on his or her own or express thirst, adequate water intake may become a problem, especially if the child is losing excessive fluids from an illness. Since fever leads to loss of body fluids (through the skin and breathing, called “insensible” losses), an infection that causes fever, diarrhea, nausea or vomiting is an important risk factor for dehydration, especially in infants. A reduced sense of thirst in the elderly also is thought to play a role; the reason for this dampened thirst mechanism is not entire clear. Finally, medications that many people take that promote water loss (such as diuretics, or “water pills” for high blood pressure) also increase the risk of dehydration.

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    Who Does Not Get Dehydrated?

    The vast majority of people who have access to water get plenty by what they ordinarily drink and in the foods they eat. Though we don’t often think of foods as sources of water, they are and contribute in a significant way to the average person’s fluid intake. For example, a carrot is 87 percent water, and broccoli is over 90 percent water. Dehydration is unusual in healthy children and adults who eat a balanced diet, drink when thirsty and take some commonsense precautions when spending time or exercising in hot or humid environments.

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    Why The Recommendation Of Eight Glasses A Day?

    The origin of the recommendation to drink eight glasses of water per day is not clear. One explanation I’ve heard is that it was derived from World War II estimates of the absolute minimum a soldier needs each day while in combat. Since water is heavy to carry around, knowing this minimum average amount is important to those responsible for providing soldiers with their nutritional and hydration needs. Of note, they often carried heavy gear through their grueling activities all day, and their food contained very little water. As a result, their water requirements were likely to be much higher than the average non-enlisted person now. Another explanation comes from estimates of how much fluid would need to accompany the “average” person’s 2000-calories-per-day food intake to maintain normal sodium and electrolyte balance. But it does not take into account the fluids in the foods themselves.

    The suggestion to drink eight glasses a day probably persists because it does not seem to be harmful and may have other benefits besides preventing the unlikely event of dehydration. For example, it may reduce hunger (and so promote weight loss) by briefly filling the stomach. And to be fair, the suggestion to drink eight glasses of water per day is not wrong — it could be helpful to the person at risk — it simply may be unnecessary for most people and gives the impression there is a problem when none exists.

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    Can You Drink Too Much Water?

    Drinking eight glasses of water each day is generally safe — the body has a sophisticated system that regulates how much of what is ingested is kept and how much is eliminated, so if more than enough water is taken in, the body simply gets rid of it. But there is such a thing as too much water, and for those who think that “if some is good, more is better,” it is possible to cause harm. The body’s sodium concentration will fall (a condition called hyponatremia due to water intoxication) if there is enough extra water around, and this can lead to swelling in the brain (cerebral edema), nausea, fatigue, confusion, even seizures or coma. Fortunately, it is very difficult to drink enough extra water to cause any of these problems.

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    The Bottom Line

    If you have risk factors for dehydration (such as an illness with fever and diarrhea, or prolonged exercise in hot weather), it makes sense to pay attention to your fluid intake and try to take in extra water (and salt). But, for most of us, the advice to drink eight glasses of water each day can be safely ignored — if you drink when you are thirsty, eat a balanced diet, and feel generally well, you probably are getting just the right amount of water.

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    Robert H. Shmerling, M.D., is associate physician at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and associate professor at Harvard Medical School. He has been a practicing primary-care physician and rheumatologist for 17 years at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. He is an active teacher in the Internal Medicine Residency Program, serving as the Robinson Firm Chief. He is also a teacher in the Rheumatology Fellowship Program.
     
  9. Turbo

    Turbo Freakin' Awesome

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    Drinking water is still good for you even if you don't have to drink 8 glasses a day.

    Its a sad fact that most Americans rarely drink water. With all the soft drinks and juices as well as the alcoholic drinks available, very few Americans (in percentage) make it a point to drink enough water.

    So, even though we don't have to make it a point to drink 8 glasses a day, we definitely should try to drink enough water!
     
  10. LarryD

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    do you know how many companies would go out of business if we all lost our taste buds?

    interesting reading, boo.
     

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