Is it the QB or the Receiver?

Great Taste or Less Filling?

 

that's just it, nobody is rooting for anyone to go to the Pro Bowl "above all else." Going to the Pro Bowl just means they were playing extremely well, in the top 10% of players at that position roughly. Sure, some go that don't deserve to go. What difference does it make if they go? You should start a website that lobbies against players in the top 5 statistically going to the Pro Bowl. The fact is that he performed well enough to go, and there's nothing any Carolina fan can do about it. Vote repeatedly for TO, Moss, or whatever, but the fan vote only counts so much...I think you missed that part though, since we fans have so much control over who goes and who doesn't. Philly has had Pro Bowlers every year on defense, and they've had turnover in the secondary and still did pretty damn well.

Of course I'm concerned about the salary cap status of my favorite team, but there's no point in getting upset that someone goes to the Pro Bowl for putting up league leading yardage and TD stats. That's ludicrous.

 

Speaking of cap stress, wasn't there a cap hit for Meadows this year that we get back? 800 K or so?

 

moon, you fug smucker . . .
To be frank I hadn’t even thought about fans controlling or not controlling who goes by rooting, their voting, or the friggin paranormal which you seem to think I am suggesting. I was simply venting (partially in jest) one of my pet peeves that involves all the fans who clamor to have as many favorite players on their team collect whatever honor is out there like it means the fans themselves are getting a damn check in the mail because of it. I was (and will continue to be) befuddled by the folks that genuinely seem to give a big shit about the Pro Bowl, All Pro, Player of the week etc. What good comes from that for the team and in turn us fans? The only way that it seems to effect a team is to make it tougher to keep that player and more expensive if they do manage to keep him. THEREFORE, Yes I would prefer the Panthers to be a tight knit team of no-name contenders who almost win the SB than a team with 9 or 10 commercial makin all pro stars who get blown out in the SB! sorry Smash

 

Fans root for teams or individuals to win. Getting named to the Pro Bowl, All-Pro, etc is winning an award. Pretty simple, really.

 

. . . and rooting for a player that you want to stay on your cap-strapped team to win awards that will almost certainly complicate him staying (possibly to the point of losing him) is not really logical. Just as simple, really.

 

You're stretching this pretty damn thin, there's no way that fans rooting for a player to do well have anything to do with his individual awards, unless they have a vote for the AP All-Pro team or something. This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Yes, I want Peppers to lead the league in sacks, fumbles, and TDs but I don't want the rest of the league to notice.

 

And you’re stretching it by generalizing and getting disproportionately incensed. We are not a team with extra cap cash to throw at our playmakers and because of that every empty accolade they receive during every cap tight 7-9 season will make it that much harder to keep them (and others) around to improve as a team. So we are just supposed to be unselfishly thrilled for those individuals either establishing the grounds to make more than we can really afford to pay them or for hitting the lottery with some other team? No one is saying that we should not want our guys to do well or expect them to go unnoticed when they do do well. We almost squeezed into the post season and in large part because of Moose’ elevated play. He was selected to the Pro Bowl for an outstanding year of individual accomplishments and after that fact I am bringing up the point that it is going to cost us, possibly to the point of losing him. Simply put, we are not in a position to reward Moose so it doesn’t make sense to be celebrating an event that might just either put him out of our price range or seriously strap us to keep him.
It’s a little like a dirt poor blue-collar hump’s wife giving birth to yet another bundle o’ joy that they can’t afford. I’m not saying that the family should have prayed for a miscarriage or performed an abortion. I’m just saying that the cheers clapping and forced smiles of the seemingly overjoyed in-laws are inappropriate. You’re coming off like if I don’t accept this as good news for us I’m being some sort of despicable selfish bad fan. You can spend more of your time trying to explain to me why it’s essential that I conform to your POV by acting all happy for Moose, and not lamenting the bad timing of a career year during a 7-9 season right before we need to restructure him. If it’s really really crucial to you then go for it. I’m stating a POV that you apparently can’t understand and/or can not see beyond.
I think you might get past this horrible transgression of mine . . . in time.)

 

-->We almost squeezed into the post season and in large part because of Moose’ elevated play. He was selected to the Pro Bowl for an outstanding year of individual accomplishments and after that fact I am bringing up the point that it is going to cost us

I'm really missing something here, I guess. I really don't see how you can have it both ways, or why you'd even want to. It's not like just going to the Pro Bowl is going to make his salary jump from $5 million to $10 million as you exaggerated in another post. Do you want him to make plays or don't you? You point out the fact that his play almost helped us squeeze into the postseason. Other players, coaches, and fans noticed this, and voted him to the Pro Bowl. What part of it don't you get? Explain to me how you can have it both ways? Explain to me why as fans of a football team, we shouldn't wear the jersey of an individual player, or cheer for that particular player to do well. The fact remains, Pro Bowl or not, putting up the numbers he did, he's gonna get paid somewhere.

Your "bad timing of a career year" thing really is strange too. I imagine players want to win, and want to put up big numbers every year. Steve Smith's injury, and a rookie backup were really what was badly timed, not the play of Moose. Is there anyone here that even comes close to agreeing with you on this?

Fuck, I'm sorry Moose got to the Pro Bowl, but he's gonna get paid somewhere...it's not simply the Pro Bowl that might have priced him out of our range. Simple fact is, that he is a top 10 WR in the league, and has demonstrated this in multiple years when he's gotten the ball, and if you really think GMs are just gonna notice the Pro Bowl part, you're sadly mistaken.

 

If fans aren't in control of this, as you now seem to agree, then it's probably not the right way to go to hammer somebody for rooting guys to make the Pro Bowl, since we agree it's inconsequential.