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How many times we blitzed

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by gopanthers40, Oct 8, 2005.

  1. Toll Booth Willie

    Toll Booth Willie Welcome to Wusta!

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    For me, I'm pissed at everyone, coaches, players the whole lot.

    I'm mainly pissed at the coaches because the players are playing like absolutely shite, and it doesn't seem they are held accountable. I'm not in the locker room, so of course I don't know this for a fact, but I do see that guys like McCree and Minter can whiff on one tackle after another, and still they go out on the field. Gross can absolutely get walked back into Jakes grill on one pass play after another, and you never see him benched for a series or two. I'm not saying fire these players, because they definately have the talent to be very good. But something has to give from a discipline standpoint. Maybe the guys I speak of aren't as capable of playing at this level like I believe, and my expectations are too high. I can also say the fire doesn't seem to be there, except within Steve Smith. We need a few more like him.
     
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    The world according to Collin. You will make it out of that bubble one day.

    So in YOUR opinion, what have you recently been wrong about?
     
  3. Collin

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    The coaches aren't immune from criticism, but I simply don't understand how you can say that it's their fault that the players don't play well. How is it that we need to bench the players, but that the coaches need to be fired and not the players? I'm not following your logic.


    Well "the Panthers do not see Thomas Davis as an option at SLB" pretty much blew up in my face, if only momentarily. WW being bad in coverage also didn't look so good when he made the fine interception against New England. I'm sure there have been plenty of other examples, but much more often than not, I end up being right. The funny thing is that people often give me a ton of shit for saying something (usually because I'm the first to point it out), and then they adopt the opinion themselves a couple of weeks or months later.
     
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  5. Toll Booth Willie

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    Where did I say fire the coaches? My logic comes from the fact that former ProBowl players (so we can safely assume there is talent) are playing awful. If they play awful it is normally attributable to a few things:

    1) Playing hurt (I'm sure this is the case for a couple of players)
    2) Poor scheme
    3) Good scheme, bad discipline/technique

    I'll blame the coaching for 2 and 3. I don't know that there is anything wrong with the scheme, just the execution sucks. If we do not have leaders on the team who will step up and hold other players accountable (I think it is obvious we do not have such players, put the blame for that on the FO), then it falls on the coaching staff to enforce discipline.

    Also, FWIW, the folks banging the drum about sacks, I have a stat for you. Washington is 5th overall in defense, and dead last in sacks (4 sacks so far this year). This means their defense actually wraps up and brings people to the ground.
     
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    TBW, I think I drove my wife insane with the number of "wrap up and tackle" outbursts I had on Sunday.


    Fundamentals drive me nuts.
     
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    That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. You're arguing that the players playing poorly is somehow the coach's fault. Occam's razor isn't perfect, but most of the time the simplest answer actually is correct. In this case, that would mean that the players not playing well would actually be the players' fault.
     
  8. Coach Micool

    Coach Micool Let's Go Brandon!

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    Werd.

    Some of that first half tackling looked as bad as I've seen. Did I say tackling? I meant MISS-tackling.

    FUndamentals? Yeah, we musta forgot what that is. One of the main reasons why we lost to a pure shitty NO team the first game. They remembered fundamentals for one game, and we forgot them so far this season.
     
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    Coach Micool Let's Go Brandon!

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    Well this is true. But playcalling and 'blitzing' (scheme) is on the coaches and gameplanning. So far, both have suffered to a point.

    Am I happy with a winning record? Sure.

    am I happy with the way they have played and coached, wins and losses?
    Not really. And fuck off, I ain't whining, I am a critisizing fan who wants to see good fundamental football, well planned, well coached, and well executed.

    Blame of poorness can be spread around pretty thick, and far.
     
  10. Toll Booth Willie

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    So if ALL the players are playing poorly (with a couple of exceptions), what do you propose to do? Bench everyone, cause they all suck? The coaching staff is the link for all these players. If one or two play poorly, you bench that player, because it is more than likely his fault. If they are all playing badly, and we know they are all talented, who does it come back to? Are you implying every player is in a slump? That's hard to buy.
     

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