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Falcon Injuries

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Cattrax, Dec 27, 2005.

  1. HAVEPSL

    HAVEPSL Full Access Member

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    I like that. :ylsuper:
     
  2. magnus

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  3. SilverSurfer

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    Oh,we'll get in, if we beat Atlanta. If we don't beat them, we don't deserve to get in. I'm just hoping that if we do beat Atlanta, the playoff Panthers will show up instead of the hyped up we oughtta win the SuperBowl because we were on SI the first of the year and Jake's a pro bowler Panthers.

    Pro bowl. What a joke. I mean Jake. I mean joke.
     
  4. Collin

    Collin soap and water

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    Hardly. Tampa Bay pretty clearly has more talent than we do, but some of that key talent is aging and thus I think we're in a little better long-term situation.


    And I've given up with the constant DC/OC bitching. It's natural for fans to blame the coaches more than the players (pretty much every football book ever written has said as much), even when it's not true. Moreover, it's not as if that many fans are even competent enough to judge the OC or DC (or even the players for that matter).
     
  5. Coach Micool

    Coach Micool Let's Go Brandon!

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    Hardly. Tampa Bay pretty clearly has more talent than we do, but some of that key talent is aging and thus I think we're in a little better long-term situation.


    Maybe, but that's your opinion. I ain't gonna argue about it.


    And I've given up with the constant DC/OC bitching. It's natural for fans to blame the coaches more than the players (pretty much every football book ever written has said as much), even when it's not true. Moreover, it's not as if that many fans are even competent enough to judge the OC or DC (or even the players for that matter).

    A dig, as usual, hehe. I blame all of em. Coaches for lack of coaching, motivation, playcalling, gameplanning, adjusting. Player for lack of motivation, not thinking at times, not executing, not doing their assignments. Not catching, not tackling, not securing the ball, not doing the fundamental things that made them nfl material to begin with.

    I'm still really pissed morgan farchild gets an extension and spoon does not. I'm not sure if that's all on the fo, of if its on the coaches too.

    I'm also pissed that jake is not getting better for whatever reason, and he hasn't been held accountable. Not as far as I can tell.

    I'm bitching about it all. Purely squandered opportunities. Lack of consistency, etc.

    It is what it is, and that is that they are not a very good 10-5 team in a weak conference.
     
  6. Collin

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    That's fine, but I think if you look at Tampa's roster on defense you'll see what I'm talking about. McFarland isn't in Jenkins' class, but he's very good and someone I thought about signing to line up next to Kris. Then Hovan appears to have revived his career enough to be considered at least comparable with Buckner. Rice and Spires are roughly equal to our DE duo (I really like their primary back-up, Dewayne White, and have since he entered the draft). Their linebackers are certainly more talented than ours, as is their secondary. On offense Carnell more or less makes up for what Smitty gives us, so they end up coming out on top in terms of overall talent.
    I think all deserve some level of blame, I just get really fucking tired of "We must fire _____!" No one, player or coach, has been bad enough for us that it justifies saying we absolutely need to get rid of them. I'm always in favor of upgrading wherever you can, I just think people are grossly overreacting to our inconsistency again. Thus our coordinators somehow go from terrible to great to terrible in the span of ten minutes thanks to the fickle and dubious judgment of the general public.
    As noted, I'm fine with being critical of people, it's just important to be specific and justified in that criticism, and it's usually better not to say that someone should be fired unless they're that obviously bad. And with regard to the front office, I've been critical of some decisions myself, so it's not as if I think you can't say such things.
    I don't think the NFC is that weak. I think that's a leftover feeling from last season. Certainly the AFC has had more than its share of terrible teams this year, and I don't think the Broncos or Jaguars are half as good as their record indicates. Aside from the Saints game (which was odd for obvious reasons), we've only been beaten by legitimately good teams. There's not a lot of shame in that.
     
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    maybe he needs to see the wizard
     
  8. Coach Micool

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    I don't think the NFC is that weak.

    Well, asside from the top, say six or seven, it's very weak. And the same can be said for the AFC. There are some weak teams with good records.

    Thus why you have no middle class to speak of, and a 10-6 team might not go to the po. Because everybody beat up on a buncha sorry teams.

    Good post, BTW, collin. Good stuff, thanks.

    All one has to look at is the probowl QBs from the NFC and see how good it is this year. And yes, a lot of both is due to injury.
     
  9. Collin

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    Thanks. Sorry about the dig, I'm just so sick and tired of people constantly blaming the coordinators and calling for them to be fired (probably as sick of that as most of you are of me).
     
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    I've never wanted our coaches fired.
    I also tend not to Dukey-out on looking for blood after a loss, player or coach.

    But I do have issues with some things, the QBs coaching being one naturally, and playcalling. Defensively, I've never understood why people put so much more on the playcall than the players; the players ultimately should get more blame for lack of execution than they do, though on this team it's rarely a few guys, it seems to be almost everybody when we're in a slump. Offensively, the playcall is a much bigger deal, to me.

    That said, I'm sure Fox comes up with some of our offensive decisions. I'm sure they're on the same page. I understand why they do what they do, I just don't agree with some of it, particularly the idea of wanting to keep drives alive and keeping the ball, and not wearing out specific plays when we don't see others much at all in an entire year.
     

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