Draft order

Well our tiebreaker scenario is fucking us. We're currently slotted picking 10th, with Chargers, Browns and Bills all ahead of us with the same record due to our SOS being harder. Arizona is behind us.

 

I’m not sure what level of “with major reservations” has to be spelled out for you, and certainly the whole Truth and Justice nonsense of searching through every word ignores things like suggesting starting ends that were free agents. You have to suggest I never wanted anything at all at end, for some reason, I guess to distract from your intention of replacing the breakout player of this year with only the most expensive possible options. Even this year, with an improved situation at end, I’m OK with a situational rusher. It’s this idea that DE has to be equal or better than DT that makes no sense.

“I continue to post” is proof of humiliation? I guess that doesn’t work for you, same as you constantly attacking is probably not “proof” that you’re upset, right? Constantly talking about me as much as any other topic (more, really) shows how logical and truth-crusading you are. No, clearly, you aren’t upset. No way.

Hardy as a backup played minimal snaps as a backup. The idea that he’d have 4 sacks last year, playing more snaps than all but two DBs, and massively increase his production seems less likely than what just happened - he continued to be a starter and developed into a pretty good player. The end result is still that he's not Mario Williams, but he's not a 9 pick and $90 million less than him by a longshot.

Charles Johnson 2009 might be a good indicator of where Hardy would end up in snaps and production, which is a little behind where Dwan Edwards is. So I have a hard time believing that Hardy is going to have 10+ sacks as a backup.

Dwan has created some pressure. Simply having something that keeps a QB from stepping up is the bigger deal, though. Dwan didn’t do much in the last number of games before getting hurt, though. To have equated one good DT to 2 starting ends with 10 sacks, and a third that should grow into something pretty good, let’s just say it’s not something I’d have done. At best, Dwan might be here next year. I don’t think he will. Hardy, he might be here seven more or he might be here one more, but he’s a guy who’ll be here next year, and there are two other guys who’ll definitely be here next year.

Fua might – Neblett, I assume is RFA and that’s gotten too expensive for roleplayers – Dwan and Ron cost a total of $6.5 million, which in richer days might bring both back. But neither would have the age to be here in two years either way. There’s two spots in desperate need right there, right now. Not one day down the line, now. But you inferred their needs were similar based on statistic, and in no way, no form do I find either spot equitable at all. I really find no way whatsoever that end = tackle or that tackle comes anywhere near end. If you’re suggesting that Dwan and Hardy are both potential flashes in the pan, fine. Disagree, but fine. Negate those two. At end, you have Charles Johnson, 31 sacks in his last 32 games, and Alexander, who has shown promise (and you’d have to admit looks good at end the more he’s played) At tackle you have Ron Edwards (hurt more than healthy, 14 tackles and one sack in those two seasons), Fua, Kearse, and Neblett. Do you think that Johnson v/s Fua, Neblett, and the ¼ of Ron Edwards that would see the field are the same thing?

Even arguing that Alexander is trash and/or the team needs 3 starting ends, or this convoluted “I wasn’t trying to replace Greg Hardy, I was merely trying to shift him inside” idea, is that any team that’s all rush is going to get run on. When you have two 10+ sack guys, if you want to get them more opportunities, you create more third and longs. You stop the run. Which, again, is DT. Otherwise, half of the teams out there are just going to dump off all day and not let you sack them 4-5 times a game.

Kudos for bringing up Lotuleilei a year ago. Search function didn’t pull that for me. I was wrong. FWIW, I’ll take being wrong about a search and right about Greg Hardy.

 

not as much good to be had for being shitty with a harder schedule, I guess.

 

I'll show you my tits if you both shut the fuck up
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I'm expecting 6-10. So looking around at who else could get to 6, hard to say. If the Jets lose tonight, they will be on a short week with nothing to play for vs SD so it depends but SD finishes with Oakland at home so possibly even 7 wins for them though I'd say 6.

Cleveland has @ Denver, vs Steelers so I don't know, I'd think they may end up with 5.

Hell this will take too much time to go through. Bottom line is there are 11 teams at 5 or fewer wins right now with only Jax and KC being locks to not get to 5 or more.

 

I'll go ahead and bite since people are starting to get ruffled. I'll be happy to respond to anybody else but there are only so many ways I can say DT is a bigger need.

 

agreed

 

As always you the man.

When you decide to make more of that Amaretto beer and want to sell some let me know.

 

You lied, dude. Suck it up and deal with being exposed as the liar you are.

It's much harder to get a consistent pass rush from DT than it is at DE. Hankins won't do it. Lotulelei is the only DT in this draft class who can have that level of impact.

Of course I'm annoyed by your constant lying. You've lied about what I've said, you've lied about what you've said, and you've lied about what others said. The fact that the guy doing is smart and knowledgeable just makes that behavior all the more egregious.

That's because Peppers was still here. In fact, that's one of the more laughable things about the old "takes plays off" accusation since Julius is in the top 3 for defensive plays among DEs every season. I pointed out that CJ & Hardy are only playing about 70% of the snaps this season, so please don't add another lie to the mix by pretending that Hardy wouldn't play much if the team had traded for Mario.

See? You keep lying. I have absolutely never said that DT wasn't a bigger need or that it shouldn't be addressed. Again, I'm the one who brought up Lotulelei (you only learned about him from me). I also haven't been pushing any of the DE prospects in this draft because I don't like any of them. What I said is that you're a giant hypocrite by pretending that Hardy's one season of production is meaningful but Dwan Edwards' one season of production is not. You know that's true, which is why you lie and pretend I said something different. You lie when you know that you're losing an argument.

No, you're the only person I've seen suggest that he's definitely going to be "good." I'd actually call him a huge disappointment. He deflected some passes early in the year, but has completely disappeared since then.

It's not hard at all to find run-stopping DTs. You can do it even with low priced free agents and late draft picks as long as you're ok with them being a nothing against the pass.