Draft order

So is this an admission that you lied when you posted this earlier in this thread?

 

I don't know how my opinion is a "lie", but I can definitely see why you've avoided talking about Williams or Hardy lately.

 

Warmack would still be odd, but absolutely...have to find roleplayers and depth throughout. Guard is a big need, and if there's not veteran relief (two guys to fight at a cheap rate maybe), hard to wait to the 4th. But, if new regime wanted a high pick, almost rather have a RT and move Bell in.

can't root for them to lose for a spot or two. Just having some breakouts at the end of the year is awesome.

 

You claimed that you previously "wanted" the team to draft Coples. I provided numerous quotes showing that before this thread you had constantly ranted about how you didn't want the team to draft Coples. After being proven a liar, you then added yet another lie by insisting that "(you) said (you) didn't want Coples the entire time," even though I just quoted you as saying "(Coples) was who I expected, and honestly, who I wanted."

So yeah, not only did you get busted as a liar but then you added yet another lie on top of that when called on it. And like always, you cannot admit your bullshit. This is why we've fought constantly over the years whereas I do not fight ever with guys like Piper, Wp28, hasbeen, etc. You're a dishonest piece of shit who can't admit his mistakes and who lies when beaten in an argument.

As for the rest, I haven't avoided talking about either Williams or Hardy. I actually proved that you were a liar yet again by showing that you were not even against trading for Mario Williams in the thread where I brought it up. You only started pretending you were against it in this thread, where you made an extra special ass of yourself by insisting that trading for one of the top defensive ends in the league would have somehow been "a disaster." Moreover, that PFF site you love to cite so frequently just happened to mention how effective Hardy has been at rushing the passer from the DT spot. Unfortunately that won't stop you from continuing to embarrass yourself by insisting that having Mario, CJ, and Hardy together wouldn't be a good thing for the defense.

 

did I say "I always wanted Cooled above all"? Did I state that I had reservations or not? I get that somehow this is what feels like the moral high ground so you'll defend it to the death, but I was clear about what I said.

and, of course, I never said Williams would be bad here, but I did say that he's not worth a 9 pick and $90+mil difference. And, that Hardy wouldn't have the same production as a roleplayer. I think it"s realistic to suggest that, given that he's had similar production as a starter. None of which you addressed while mischaracterizing what I think, but after,what, five posts or so (I didn't actually count, before you get bunched up OMGLIARLOL*SIGH*EMOTION) of not talking about it at all, I guess this is progress.

so is Greg Hardy a starter, or are you still fighting that too?

are you still claiming that, from just statistics, that DT and DE are similar in need?

 

Yeah, you were clear. You said clearly and repeatedly that you didn't want Coples. Then near the beginning of this thread you oddly insisted very clearly that Coples was "who (you) wanted." You lied about that because you wanted to pretend that you were in favor of adding a DE. Then after I provided numerous quotes proving you a liar, you completely reversed 180 degrees again, insisting that "(you) said (you) didn't want Coples the entire time."

I humiliate you on a regular basis not because I'm smarter than you or know more about football than you do, but because you lie and I don't. It's easy to embarrass you with your own quotes because you're not honest, which means you'll say things you don't believe or radically reverse your position on something all for emotional reasons.

lol. You've spent this whole thread insisting that it would have been "disastrous." Great googly moogly. Can you make even one post any more without lying about something?

Yet another lie. I have repeatedly not only addressed it, but done so in such a convincing fashion that you have to pretend like I never did since you can't actually answer any of the points I made. You pretended that our DEs stay on the field constantly and therefore Hardy wouldn't play as a 3rd DE, only for me to point out the fact that both Hardy & CJ are only playing 70% of the team's snaps, leaving up to another 60% for a third DE. And that's before even getting to what I've been saying constantly throughout this thread about how Hardy could be an impact pass rusher at DT if the team had a speed rusher at RDE. Note how you completely ignored me bringing up the fact that your favorite website PFF noted how effective Hardy was at rushing from DT. You pretend I haven't addressed these things because you have absolutely no response to the points I make. You have to lie and pretend that they don't exist because you can't think up a rebuttal.

I already acknowledged that he's playing very well right now, but again, he's going to be a free agent after 2013. Either he's going to get a mammoth contract, which makes me extremely uncomfortable because he's only had this very limited stretch of playing at a high level, or else the team will need another DE anyway.

I never said that. I said that you're being an enormous hypocrite by holding up Hardy's one season of stats while completely ignoring Dwan Edwards' one season of stats. While you lie about me and yourself, everyone else can see how consistently I've been hoping for the team to get Star Lotulelei since last season. I was the one who brought him up on this board first, you just jumped on that bandwagon later.

 

I wish one of you would take the high road and not respond

 

I don't know what "with major reservations" means to you, but the guy was the best guy available to help out, at the time. His poor season doesn't help. But, I obviously named plenty of ends in this thread and over the offseason to help, vets and draftees. The "pretend I was in favor of an end" thing is silly, and you know it isn't true.

you think you humiliate me, because it jutifies your constant obsession with everything I say. I don't know what to tell you, but this just doesn't bother me the way it bothers you. You saying different doesn't make it so.

Physically having Williams isn't the problem. granted, you're glossing over the idea that there's MINIMAL actual gain from adding Williams compared to what we get from Hardy, and that the "disaster" would be trading a 9 pick for a pending free agent, not having Kuechly, and having added $90+ million in salary.

It's not a lie to believe that Hardy wouldn't play as much, or that he would have a drop in production being used as a two-position backup.

Your citing of PFF (Funny that you somehow label it "my favorite website" because I believe in advanced stats in the NFL) wasn't noticed amongst the rest of the bluster. Good for him, but in the end, I really doubt that he'll ever play that much there in situations where the team hasn't lost two starters inside, and BTW, PFF doesn't think he can't rush outside. Also, he rushed outside just fine today, and even your own replacements (Coples, Williams) are bigger ends who don't support the idea that you want a smaller guy/that you're unhappy with playing a big guy at right end. Which also isn't the reason to demote a good player.

He's a starter. You can acknowledge that by acknowledging that, not by sidestepping it. You wanted to push almost all remaining resources into replacing arguably the season's brighest spot.

Now, I can be OK with the idea of worrying about end in '14. But, there are current needs that require attention, and there aren't backups I like at those spots.

You said,

"The same stats you use to think "we're decent at DE" also indicate that "we're decent at DT.""

So - if starting ends account for 20.5 sacks, and since you're holding up Dwan as a future piece somehow? Dwan accounts for 5 sacks, and since rush is the majority of what he brings I assume you're talking rush; so, transitively, with no Ron Edwards, I assume you mean that Fua is either
*worth 15 sacks next year as a new starter, or
*you corrected someone with a logical fallacy (OMGLIAR!!!!)

bonus points for subtly inferring that somehow I didn't know/want to draft Star until you brought him up. But, I brought him up first I think, in October discussing him v/s Hankins.

 

SHUT THE FUCK UP COLLIN! YOU R A FUCKING DOUCHEBAG!!! Jesus Christ...

 

Of course it's true. You lied when you posted this:

I then proved you were lying when I posted this:

Knowing you were busted as a liar, you then added yet another lie by saying:

Again, I keep humiliating you in these threads because I can use your own quotes against you. That's what happens when you lie repeatedly and obviously. You say one thing, then magically change to something else when you want to. It's the same deal on Mario Williams. In this thread you made yourself look like a lying fool by insisting that it would have been "a disaster" and that everyone besides me was against it, only for me to provide the link showing that more people were for it than against it, and that you even said you'd rather do that than draft Coples."

You always pretend that, but you continue to post and you get noticeably upset and agitated when I do humiliate you. Everyone knows it affects you, that's just one more thing you lie about.

That's total bullshit. In that theoretical scenario, Hardy would still get plenty of snaps at DE while also getting a lot as a pass rushing DT. A pass rush with Mario, CJ, and Hardy would obviously have hugely more than a "minimal" gain. Saying that makes you look stupid, which is what happens when you get defensive. You said something dumb and when that happens, you make statements that only someone with no football knowledge would do. That's because you're fundamentally dishonest.

Several of Hardy & CJ's sacks (plus Kuechly's first, etc) have come from Dwan creating pressure up the middle. I have never at any point pretended that Dwan Edwards is a potential star. I have said that he has been impressively productive this season, but that I am nervous about assuming that any one stretch of performance unlike anything that player did previously in their career is going to be what they do going forward. You want to believe that Hardy will continue to play this well in future seasons, justifying a huge new contract. I hope he does, but the idea of paying huge for one season of production is scary to me.

And I brought him up in December 2011 when you were fixated on Devon Still.