Did we already do...

that is sad... I couldn't think of one that was any better

 

What no Sean Gilbert???? :huh:


Seriously our all suck team would be pretty bad, but we would have a lot more CB candidates.

Jeff Lewis QB
Barry Foster RB

Chuck Smith

I go brain dead thinking of the other loosers

 

Gilbert wasn't all that bad. I actually think he was a well above average DT for us - problem is he was making All Pro money. But for my bust team, I nominate:

Jason Peter
Rashard Anderson
Timmay

 

I think the "All-Hype" team would be the next logical spot to put Gilbert, Peter, etc.




Offense:

LT Steussie - best we've had there. Short list, yes, and there are plenty of complaints. But he got it done, and if you discount dome false starts, he was a big player for us for the years he was here.
LG Matt Campbell - sadly. Very sadly. Jeno? Probably better.
C Mitchell - What else is there?
RG Donnalley Hard to find someone else here, too. go back - Elliott never started long term, Garcia went to C, Lacina sucked, Redmon was never the answer either.
RT Gross -yeah. I've got a lot of guys discounted because of potential. Garrido was honestly serviceable for 96, 97, and sucked for 98, couldn't start once we actually made a move. So why put him there? Gross earned it and is the best talent the team's ever had at OL.
TE - Walls.

WRs Muhammad and Smith - Muhammad's the team's all time offensive player right now. You can't argue with that, but people have been trying to get him gone since he mentioned his contract on FNZ in spring 1999.
Smith should be a star, and while he doesn't rate in all-time like Carrier does, he's got this and should be unquestionably 2nd on all-time this year.

FB Howard Griffith - You never totally knowwhat you have, sometimes, until you lose it. Collins' "Dynasty" seems to have signed with Denver as a free agent.
RB Stephen Davis - I talk too fucking much. A reprieve.
QB Beuerlein.

Defense:

LDE Kevin Greene. If we're going to take Greene for what he is, he's a LDE. He was never honestly anything of a linebacker. Peppers has more talent than anyone on this team, and we all know that. But this isn't the all-talent team. Yes, 19 sacks in 28 games is very good. And Peppers gets shut down by a lot of guys who he should school. He's got a ways to go and that's not the purpose of the list.
LDT Jenkins
RDT/NT - Kragen. Despite his declining play and age, there wasn't a player who I'd have rather had at the nose during that time.
RDE - Rucker. Team's best statistical defensive lineman ever.


WLB - Barrow played backside in Seifert's scheme and technically never took Mills' spot - Royal did, then Brady I believe. Barrow is one of the Panthers' best defenders ever, and deserves a spot regardless.
MLB Mills - Morgan's been great.
SLB Fields - one year only, but probably the best 4-3 linebacker play we've ever had in a single year.


RCB Davis
LCB Evans - I really can't say that Manning is better after 8 games starting. Evans IMO is better than Poole was but it shouldn't be hard to overtake him.
Safeties - Maxie and Minter, at FS and SS respectively. Maxie was only really good for one year, and Minter was to be his replacement. Grant came close to outplaying the aging Maxie this year, but the numbers don't reflect that as well as the play did, and I'm not going to face the amount of bitching about Grant that has sprung up since he left.

Special Teams:

1 PK John Kasay
1 P Sauerbrun
1 returner - Steve Smith
1 Special Teams Member - Michael Bates

 

All - Hype Team


QB - Fasani. "Fasani Magic". We paid (and paid a lot for) Lewis. But nobody ever actually liked him, it seems. Craig was huge in hype, but he could actually move the ball some. He was just inaccurate as hell. Fasani had all the tools and was Weinke's Nader, it seems. Even Craig could stay on a roster for a couple years.

RB - Biakabutuka. He was really very productive, just hurt a lot. Never totally reached that promise.
I'm torn on this, really. You can't necessarily call the team's most hyped RB the team's leading all-time rusher, too. But he was just never that good.
FB - Scott Greene. Started for two years and while he never got any hype, he also never got any better. Someone could make an argument that Hoover's too hyped as a blocker, but he's continuing to improve.

WRs - Ernie Mills, Rae Carruth. Essentially speed-locked, the team hired Mills to add a deep threat to replace Willie Green. Mills never really did. Carruth replaced Mills, and barely did.
LT - it's hard to call Clarence Jones hyped; it's easy to call him bad.
Maybe Derrick Graham was worse, and certainly was paid enough to be bad. Don't remember Derrick Graham? Exactly. He sucked at RT after coming to be a LT, and Dennis played better over the stretch, and that stretch happened to be when we were winning.
LG - Campbell. Yeah, all-time and hyped, too. I feel bad about not putting Jeno as best ever, chances are it was neither guy. Probably one of the seventy guys who played it in 96. So in the meantime we have Campbell sucking, since he did.
C- Garcia. Remember when we thought this guy didn't suck? 1997 was a time of blind euphoria.
RG - Lacina. We got him because he could pull - unfortunately he could do nothing else, including the blocking when he'd pulled.
RT - Skrepenak. A huge contract to play RT and never did.




LDE - Peter. Never a 3-4 fit, never really an end fit at all. Hell, we drafted him under the suggestion that he was a better nose than the true tackle we saw in Holliday. And he never really played nose at all. Just got too big to play 3-4 and always injured, but when healthy wasn't worth a fuck anyway.
LDT - Eric Swann. Oh yeah. Who says minimum-contract players are low risk?
RDT - Sean F'in Gilbert.
RDE - Chuck Smith, since that was just brilliant.

SLB - Donta Jones. Signed to start, wasted two years waiting for him to overtake Greene and be a good coverage/rush skill set. Neither of those skills showed, and wasn't even a good special teamer. Just another guy leaving the 3-4 so he could get paid.
MLB - Jeff Brady. I remember there being an honest rabble being roused when we didn't keep this guy after 1998. "But he had over 100 tackles." And he never was anything ever again.
WLB - Tarek Saleh. Drafted to be the Next Kevin Greene, or that's how it was shoved down our throats, was never worth a shit at any point, at any play, in any form. Just another tweener who can't do anything but out-quick someone. See also: Jason Peter.


CB - Tim McKyer. All talk, had one year. Was barely adequate and still had to fight off the equally bad Rod Smith all year.
CB - Rashard Anderson, if he hasn't changed his name a couple times again.
Nickel CB - Doug Evans. Yeah, another all-time and all-hype. Sucked when he wasn't adequate. Never could reach hype or play from GB.

FS - Brent Alexander. The original two-pump chump - there was never a pump fake he didn't like to jump on. Usually, if there was a play coming at him, he was quickly and prematurely out of the play. "Oh my hamstring!" Piece of shit.
SS - Bubba McDowell. Came as a starter, tried to start. Lost his job.

 

You've mixed the "We Suck Ass" Team with the "All-Hype" Team a little there... I see the direction you're going in, but Reggie White, Eugene Robinson, and the second coming of Kevin Greene were bigger hype disappointments than some of those listed. While I'll agree you're right in the others sucking worse, but they weren't hyped near as much and there wasn't as much expected from some of them.

 

So, what your saying is you never really did dig Brent Alexander?

Mags that post really brought back some bab memories of guys I had long forgotten. Talk about a blast from the not so distant past. When you read some of those guys names you really can appreciate how fast we rose and how far we fell. Our team thankfully is a shell of some of those horid teams.

I am surprised though that you put Fasani ahead of Lewis in the Hype list, since we paid so much for Lewis and he was beyond a shadow of a doubt one of the most painful pro QB's I have ever watched. Funny thing though I remember the Denver pre season game when they schelacked us and Lewis was a big part of that game for Denver. When we traded for him I was like alright! he will be great...... and the rest as they say is history.

 

Craig lacked talent. Lewis lacked balls.

Hell Mags, Nesbit was better than "The whiff." I swear Campbell had no periphereal vision.

 

My point is this..

I think that even if Jake went .500 the rest of his time here.. he would have accomplished far , far more than S.B. Steve never lead us anywhere, and always seemed to choke when down. That's when Jake seems to shine. I'm sitting here watching the NFC championship game, and the Tapes from the other two playoff games, and I'll tell you this- he's cool under pressure. I've NEVER seen S.B. Cool under pressure.

Give me JAKE on that all time Panther team. Collins would be second string (He's been the QB in two NFC championship games). SB would be holding the clipboard & filling up gatorade cups.

 

Lewis yeah, but Lewis was never hyped. Just defended a lot.
Craig was hyped but there was always that racial thing.
Fasani everybody just loved. He had that one good game and he was The Guy.
And he finished his career with an 8.8 QB rating.

Nesbit was good. You're right.



>>but Reggie White, Eugene Robinson, and the second coming of Kevin Greene were bigger hype disappointments than some of those listed.

White was certainly hyped. But he produced, he was just also very old. He still had a lot of pressures and still played the run - if you didn't know who he was you'd say he was just a guy who was big and slow that played end instead of tackle.
Robinson was serviceable. Greene wasn't terrible the second time around, but yeah, anytime you have a player play at a league leading level for a couple years you have the expectation he'll do it every year, including during old age.