Creationist Wolf in Cheap Clothing

It's almost amusing how you keep trying to pigeon-hole me into your pre-fabricated stereotypical perception of Christians.

Almost.

I hate to disappoint you, but you're trying to force a square peg into round hole. The truth is I am not one of those fundamentalist wackos who curls up in the corner with his doctrine and shuts his eyes and ears to the rest of the world. I'm not proud enough to ever think I'll ever have it 'all figured out', and I'm not even close to done learning. I'm still learning things of science. I'm still learning about other religions. I'm still learning about my own faith. I'm still learning about myself. And I hope to God I never stop learning.

You are going to believe whatever you want to about what you see and hear, people you meet and talk to, and things in your own heart and mind, based on your own set of standards and values. That is your right, and it will be respected in this forum. All I ask is you give that same respect to everyone else, at least while you're in here. The choice is yours.

 

vpkozel:
You might actually try reading before responding to them, much less throwing around volatile words like "dumb." As I said, "Subsequent changes in the world's water level caused repeated receding and filling, but there was never a "break" at the Strait of Gilbraltar after which water came "rushing through."" Despite Hsu's initial claims from 1983, geologists have confirmed that the strait never broke. It is what it is, but as the sea levels dropped dramatically, it could no longer pass over the current landmass across the strait. Eventually sea levels returned to normal, at which point the water came back over the landmass into the Mediterranean basin, gradually filling it and continuing to expand over the millenia, giving rise to its present condition.

http://www.freep.com/news/nw/sea25_20040525.htm



hasbeen99:

Actually most Christians aren't like you at all. Most don't deny scientific facts simply because they want to believe something else. But of course you're going to claim that you're not closed-minded. I haven't encountered too many people who would admit that, but your statements consistently demonstrate it, whether they be about evolution or "the Flood." Fortunately you're one of the "golly shucks, that's interesting stuff you posted but I just don't believe it"-types rather than slydevyl's combative personality.

 

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i am sorely out gunned in this debate due to my lack of education in these subjects. but i did meet this man Richard Rives, he was arrested in Turkey in the early 90's while on an expidition. He was with a man named Ron Wyatt and they found what looks like the remains of Noahs ark in turkey.

i have enjoyed this lively discussion and learned that i need to educate myself more in science.

 

Where in that article is there conclusive proof that there was no break?

You know, for someone who postions himself as one who is interested in truth, asks questions, explores, challenges his assumptions, gains more facts; and in the process formulates opinions about what actually happened in the past, you sure don't seem very open to the search for truth, the asking of questions, exploration, challenging of assumptions, gaining of facts, or discussion of different opinions.

 

People, kindly knock off the potshots and provocations. Keep it to fact, opinion, and theory, and leave the jabs out of it. Otherwise the thread gets locked or moved.

 

Sure thing, baldy

 

there's a new sheriff in town.

 

"Eventually, a massive rise in global sea levels, caused by glacial melting at the end of another ice age, allowed Atlantic waters to gush over the Gibraltar threshold into the salt basin far below." The article was pretty much as I described events, correct? Granted, there's no way you can know that I'm telling the truth, but I didn't find that article until after you insinuated that I was "dumb."

I don't think I was the one calling you "dumb," was I? None of these are actually my opinions. I know anthropology, most major sports, and assorted other subjects. My knowledge of plate tectonics is rather limited, and my knowledge of geology even moreso. I can only go by what I've read and what I've been told by people who should know. What I can say with certainty is that there has been no worldwide flood, based on the testimony of countless geologists with an overwhelming amount of data. I can also say that the Noah story itself couldn't possibly have happened in anything closely resembling the form (or perhaps I should say forms, since Genesis actually contains two different accounts) told in the Bible. That much anyone could figure out simply by thinking about the question, although knowledge of population genetics and engineering would be useful as well.

 

And that was only one theory. That's the point. Every time you have referenced it, you have said that it was fact that there was no break. Which is obviously incorrect.