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Anybody worried that the band wagon might flip over?

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by WYDD, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. buck nasty

    buck nasty Full Access Member

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    we're not predictable on O to me either, but apparantly to opposing
    DC's we are. in the end though, with the $ we've spent on defense, 21 points should be enough to win pretty much every game. that's how we're built, and if that shit don't work, we're fucked.
     
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    He had a 90 QB rating from 3 WR, 4 WR formations. He had a 125 from shotgun. How much did you see of that, other than "oh shit I guess we need to win this game now"? And how much did you see of that with the Fromunda? Selective stats.


    He was ineffective, other than Philly, and that obviously wasn't enough. I guess you're missing where I'm blaming the gameplan, not Stephen Davis, but sure. Philly he had a great game. But in the games between the Tampa injury and the Detroit injury, he had one good game, and the rest were shit. Not many carries to Foster, not that much passing. Just Davis, Davis, Davis till the game was over. But sure. I guess you think that him carrying 25 times, us losing, that vindicates you. nevermind having averages like 3.3, 2.3, 3.4 when he'd averaged over 5 a carry early in the season. Nah, nothing to learn from there.



    you adapt when things aren't working. You don't wait 3 games and then say "hey, maybe we should try something else."
    He was 10th because he outright missed 2 games and sat out 3 more towad the end. We gave him carries he didn't need, we didn't need, and forced games to be closer than they needed to be. Guess what? We lost a lot of games in 2004 because of this. We lost a lot of games in 2002 because of this, too. But sure. Coincidence and shit.

    Well, it worked throughout the playoffs. We ran the shit out of the ball in Philly. And I was ecstatic with that, just as I was with the passing efforts of St. Louis - which we'd have never won that game, just as with the last few to get the division in 03. Which was also our turnaround in 02, and 04.
    But I'm sure us continually losing because we won't change philosophy to fit the game at hand, and then going on late winning streaks because of changing philosophy, that's coincidence again.

    You'll defend Henning to the death, blaming anyone but him, including Fox, for Henning's own decisions. I think it's relevant. Plus, you wrote all this just because I showed you that you don't hold the same ideals for both coaches. You'll blame Fox for 3rd down draws to deflect from Henning, but you blame Trgo for things that aren't coaching decisions.
     
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    I think that's bullshit, personally. The 2002 and 2003 defenses were bland, vanilla defenses, and the effort was inconsistent at times, but the players trusted it. I believe they trust it now. I think you've gotta look at your players and blame them when they make mistakes. I think you've gotta blame them when they're not motivated.

    Of course, we've had quotes from Jake, Moose, Proehl, and so on about "how simple" our offense is, too.


    They said we needed to blitz more this week. That doesn't equal "lack of confidence in our DC", to me. But yeah, it's problematic when guys want to blitz, and we don't. It's problematic when guys want to pass, and we sit on our hands with a small lead that's about to be the problem of our defense instead.

    What I don't see, of course, is crying about how we had our nickel in the slot, had him playing close to the line, etc., as reasons we lost because of the defensive coordinator.


    That's the hard part about being conservative. You have to either stop being conservative to become powerful, or you have to find ways to make yourself

    You can ask Pittsburgh, San Diego. There's two teams who are conservative in nature, live on running the ball, and yet aren't limitingly conservative on offense.
     
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    I can call a lot of their plays in chat. I can usually get it down to 1 or 2 plays most of the time, but don't call them out without some confidence. It gets easier in situations, and it does somewhat on defense, too, when it comes down to things like blitzing when opposing teams are in FG range.
     
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    I am convinced that the Panthers are guilty of carrying the same game plan and tendancies into every game. As a result of this tendancy, I do believe that we have become the easiest team to game plan aganst. No other explaination is necessary to explain how we are as vulnerable to a weak team as we are to a strong team. We can out luck a team, we can outmuscle a team, we can outplay a team, but we can not outsmart a team. That would require a game plan. The best way for a team to bet us is by outsmarting us and that ain't hard to do. They know what's coming from us and we have no idea what they are going to do.
     
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    a-fucking-men!
     

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