Newton and the playbook

Watch what decisions he makes. Watch if he's turning his head to survey the whole field or if he's just staring down his primary read. If he makes a bad throw, try to figure out why. It's not that hard to get inside someone's head.

 

Why do you think so many QBs bust?

 

Highly discouraging career path might have something to do with that. Only 32 positions each year. Seriously, there are so many things that have to be done at a very high level, and so many of them need to happen in fractions of a second. Is there anything (aside from rocket surgery) that's more difficult than being a consistent effective starting NFL QB?

 

I guess it is like any other position. Guys have the ability to play at a high level if they work hard and stay out of trouble but not all guys are able to do those things. Charles Rodgers was probably capable of being a hall of famer but he could not keep it together.

I think it goes beyond that though. Not so much because guys bust a lot but because guys come out of nowhere fairly often too. Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, Tony Romo and others went undrafted but found success in the NFL.

 

seems to me that it's tuff to put the attributes in a list because one without the other ain't doing you much. quick read don't get you far without a good arm and vice versa, a great arm without a quick read don't get you far. you have to have the whole package to be successful.

quick learner
quick anticipation
courage
big and strong
intuition and a sixth sense
very high competitiveness
unshakable confidence
likable
strong arm
strong leader
moxie
swagger
it
nice hair
nice smile


i had everthing but the "it"

 

desperation, first off. Taking a guy because you need a guy, not because that guy is good enough. It pushes projects to be franchise guys, and in my opinion makes scouting almost irrelevant. Obviously scouting itself plays a part.

playing him too fast, behind that. Playing too quickly means bad habits.

bad fit is another. You need different attributes for different offenses, and how those offenses are run - not all WCO, Coryell, Pats style systems are the same. Clearly, just to use the offense we've run, Weis runs it differently from how it's run now, who runs it differently from how the Steelers run it. Since Coryell has essentially run through Norv with Martz and others not spawning heirs, it's become less vertical, though I think Hue and Al Saunders will sling it; there's the Joe Gibbs variant that never caught on outside of Henning. Same concepts, but different ways of running it. Our 98 WCO, 99, 00, 01 were all different offenses, with different ideas on how it was to be run, from the same playbook.

Anyway, that all aside, picking a guy who doesn't fit is a problem. Remember Druckenmiller in the WCO? What the fuck was that? We put Kerry Collins in a WCO and it was a disaster. Good yards, but a disaster nonetheless. You have to fit. I know, everyone beats the drum of fitting to your players, but that's bullshit. Bill Parcells didn't go get guys and fit his philosophies to them. He did his thing. Walsh's scheme came from fitting to what he had, but there's no doubt that WCO QBs have to do certain things well. He didn't spend a lot of time getting the best run and shoot guys.

Then, shit coaching. I do believe that players can be coached, and moreso, that you can drill consistency. There are still teams that don't value QB coaching that highly, and young players are going to be inconsistent.

 

You fuckers are scaring me off the Newton bandwagon.

But jesus colonel sanders christ, we Have to get a QB somehow or we're fucked again regardless of whether we pick Dareus or Charlie Sheen.

 

Well...ok.

The point I was trying to make about Moore is that defenses didn't do much to game plan for him in '09, partly because they didn't have enough tape on him to game plan for, but mostly because defenses had bigger problems (Stewart and Williams, for instance) to contend with. Moore was successful executing a simple offense balanced by a strong running game.

Rookie pitchers in baseball have an innate advantage because hitters haven't seen them. Second time around, though, hitters have adjusted. I think this same dynamic happened to Moore in '10 as defenses added him and his tape to the game plan.

 

Yes. Need for the league to get back to business. Dareus would be a solid building block. Haven't had that piece since Jenkins.

 

QBs are human, most humans are stupid, ergo most quarterbacks are stupid.