Should Marty Hurney Be Fired?

Fox and Hurney were a team and the house needed cleaned.

 

Gettis hasn't helped by being so decent three rounds later. Measurables guys are rarely this good this fast, it seems.

 

They did get a hit on Gettis and Hardy in the later rounds. I will give Hurney/Fox credit for that. I think both have a good chances of being keepers long term. The Edwards thing still pisses me off tho

 

a broken clock is right twice a day. Is the Panthers late round history through their tenure all that good? I don't think it is, but right now I'm too lazy to double check.

 

most of their straight picks are great. I guess that's more a boast of the scouting than the GM, but it's tough when they trade.

 

Exactly. It's the analysis that kills them, not the evaluation. And let's be clear, there is just no way whatsoever that Fox or Hurney had any fucking thing to do with picking those college players. It just didn't happen. Scouting those guys takes so much god damned time that if those two were a part of the decision-making process at all, it was just picking through which of the scouts' opinions they found most compelling. That's why I never really hold who they picked against Hurney. What I blame him for are the decisions about when to pick someone, specifically all the idiotic trades that have been made in recent seasons. Whoever the Panthers have in the scouting department, I think those guys do a pretty good job. You're always going to miss on some, but I agree with mags that it seems to happen most often when the franchise feels pressure to draft a need.

 

Interesting take--I would like to know what he scouting dept. thought when we stole Armanti Edwards!

I think that Hurney and Fox were very "Job conscious" during the past 2 drafts which is why they made the deals they made concerning future draft picks.
I don't know if trading down is an option, but I would drop 4 spots with Cincy for a pick or two in 2012. We should find desperate teams and take their futures like others did to us. Hurney should be allowed to trade--down only.

 

Reasons Hurney is a sorry, overrated, piece of excrement

• Not getting anything for Peppers
• Signing Jake Delhomme to a big contract
• Trading our first round pick in 2010 to move up in the second for undersized Everett Brown
• Trading our first round pick in 2009 to move up for oft-injured Jeff Otah after drafting constantly injured Jonathan Stewart
• Trading our second round (65th overall) for the right to draft Armanti Edwards
• Claiming to build through the draft but trading away future draft picks to do so

Reasons Hurney is a keeper (scouting dept. and not Hurney?)

• Free agent acquisitions like Landri, Williams, Harris, Sutton, Moore, etc. (every team has guys they pick up who contribute)
• Late round draft picking (Hardy, Pugh, McClain, Munnerlyn, Rosario, Barnidge, etc.)
• The current coaching staff (Rivera and Co.) Is this an indication of the new Hurney, or was it all Rivera?

 

Traded for Harris, I believe (a 5th?).

Traded what is now the 33rd overall for Edwards.

TEs like we have are always late round picks. Maybe a con would be not investing in a higher round TE. Exception: Siedman, 3rd. Fox probably shat a brick over that one.

Another con would have to be taking flyers on late round no future QBs rather than taking guys who might actually help (like some you listed), and instead of realistically addressing (edit: investing in) the position's future.

 

We disagree. The commitment has been made, change in that job now would be counter productive. There was a window there where taking action was an option. It's closed for now, at least in my world.

I'm no AE or ASU loyalist, and so far it does look stupid. But if he turns a corner this year and contributes, I can live with it.