If not John Fox - who? If not Delhomme - who?

I'll say it for you. In fact, I've been saying it for years. As a general rule, retread HCs do not repeat the same level of success they achieved at their previous stops. To put it another way, if a HC has had success with his first team, he will not repeat that success with another team. For example: Joe Gibbs second stint in Washington wasn't as successful as his first. Another example: Bill Parcels wins two SBs with Giants; gets to a SB with Pats; gets to conference title game with Jets; gets to playoffs with Cowboys. With each stop the level of success was less and less. And Parcels is a hell of a coach. Hell, you could even cite Vince Lombardi. Other examples: Jimmy Johnson, Mike Holmgren, George Seifert, Denny Green, the list goes on and on. So, I'd stay the hell away from the likes of Gruden, Cowher, Billick, and Shannahan.

 

Coughlin won a SB with his second team.

Dungy wond a SB with his second team.

Shanahan won a SB with his second team.

Gruden won a SB with his second team.

so to say all retreads don't have success isn't true and I don't get how fans shouldn't expect consecutive winning seasons but at the same time a coach who already won a SB isn't desirable because he likely won't do it with another team

 

None of them won one with their first team, though, which is what mags has been saying.

You could also add Belichick to that list.

 

Don Shula was pretty successful with both of his teams.

 

It's a players league. Seifert didn't work in Carolina because there was a massive drop-off in talent level from his teams in San Francisco. Same with Gibbs on the second go-around in Washington, although he did bring a little bit of stability to the organization.

Gruden did it with the table set by Dungy, who had Peyton Manning in Indy (notice how the Colts haven't missed a step with a new coach), and Shanahan had John Fucking Elway. Coughlin are Belichick are the only two coaches who improved the second time around, and we all know that New England lucking into Tom Brady has a lot to do with that. A coach isn't going to be successful with bad players.

 

Ok, but you still can't count out a coach just becuase he's not a first time coach. People want to make general statements about it but it's about the individual situations.

 

I agree, but guys are usually successful because they have good players, not because they are magicians.

 

Marty Schotenhiemer has coached every team in the league. He has guided each one to the playoffs and lost in the first round each time...

I think you follow the model set by the Steelers. If you have a good coach keep him even after he has a bad year or two. If you hire a new coach find a young guy who can be with you twenty years.

I think we should keep Fox. He is still a good coach. You can blame him for keeping Jake so long but that is a personnel decision. Maybe he needs more help in that area.

Fox is the opposite of Siefert could judge talent but not coach well on game day.

 

Fox never impressed me much as a good game day coach. You don't see much if any good adjustments.

 

Gruden is too good on MNF. He should stay there.