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TBR Grades

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Purrsy, Apr 28, 2008.

  1. Black&Blue

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    There's no way Otah can be an effective LT at the NFL level. He's a career RT, and he better be a damn good one for what we gave up.
     
  2. CelticCat

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    Otah is so raw i wouldnt right him off as a LT just yet. We could really mold him into something special.
     
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    I don't understand why everybody is so upset about the draft picks. You do know when we franchise Peppers next year and somebody picks him up we will get two first rounders. Then everybody will be happy.
     
  4. Black&Blue

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    Not at LT, I'm afraid. He'll never be athletic enough to face the league's best pass rushers. I wanted him before the draft and I think he can really help us on the right side, where Gross has been terrible as a run blocker, but he would be useless on the left side.

    Hopefully, he can end up being a special RT, like a Willie Anderson. Otherwise it's a pretty dumb move.
     
  5. CelticCat

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    Getting hosed on the trade up ruffled alot of feathers. Especially when many didnt see a need for a round 1 RB.

    Personally, i find it hard to find fault with any of the picks value wise.

    With Clady and Harvey already off the board i cant really complain at all.

    We can overcome missing 1 1st rounder next year. They'll probably target someone special in FA and PR that as our 1st round equivalent.
     
  6. CelticCat

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    He trumped Chris Long, just sayen.
     
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    Stewart - B
    We didn't have to have this player. Wasn't the best player out there and there were other backs out there later. Wasn't the highest positional need.

    However, this player does make a significant investment toward running the ball better (not that we were "bad" last year, just inconsistent). It ensures that we'll be able to put a back on the field for 60 snaps and have a top notch player, without wearing out either player. Instead of getting a "big back", we got a very good all-around back that happens to weigh in well.

    Otah - A-
    We wanted bigger, more powerful linemen, and got one here. He's exactly what we need at OT, and we got him at relatively solid value.

    Trade - F.
    After Cherilus went, Otah was the last OT that would make a difference at OT. Also, it would've made more sense to get Otah at 13, and gamble on Stewart going later. They may not have liked Mendenhall as much, and fair enough, but they paid a price for doing so. Luckily, it worked out, in that they got Otah before it was too late, since I didn't like the OT options available at 43, or in the 3rd (other than Nicks, who I stated was a possibility in my mind because he would add a lot of size at LG initially before eventually moving to RT). Even a slug like Baker got pushed up the board.

    Also, we could've gone Forte at 43 (if we had the pick available, and I wouldn't have liked the value), and the only pick I would've liked by 73 would've been Choice, a backup who ended up being available again in the 4th, but waiting at RB wouldn't have given us any impact. Regardless, we gave up far too much, regardless of the outcome.

    Godfrey - B+.
    Depends on how fast he gets on the field, but he'll get on the field; he's insurance against Gamble if we need it, but he's a safety now, and he's a quick football player who will add speed to the secondary and to ST.
    Was a realistic BPA as well. I didn't feel like we had to have a S, but

    Connor - D.
    Within reason, a BPA. But, other than ST, he'll not be useful right now. We do still have Seward, and Johnson or Shaw if we need. Even if the idea was to make Shaw rush the passer, that's still something we have the depth to do. There aren't any UFAs in the near future he can replace (Davis is after 09, and I'd as well keep him), other than Seward next year; he'll push Anderson out, possibly, but that could've happened anyway. We would save only a higher salary ($300k) and have a potential starter two years from now, which sounds a lot more like a 5th round than a third.

    Really could've been a lot better, IMO, to have seen if Godfrey would've lasted to 73 so we could pick Ellis at 67. That would've bettered this team, though wasn't there a character concern with him? Regardless, I would've taken him; there's worse things than a retarded asshole that rushes the passer. That's actually one of the things I'd value in that situational player.

    Barnidge - C.
    Like him, but we have two guys somewhat like him. Maybe he can be a blocker, but I'd have to see it first. Hard to say if this was supposed to be another ST pick, but IMO, he actually is a good receiver in the making. But was he BPA? Was this a need? Neither, really.

    Hayden - A
    Good value, need, and fits our strengths. Ideal. Not to say he'll make it, but compared to a very solid 5th round pick in Kindal Moorehead, he compares similarly and has a lot stronger base. Probably won't be the pass help that Moorehead was, but that took 4 years to show. This kid seems like a harder worker and more physically ready.

    Schwartz - B-.
    Probably won't make the roster, but at this point, a guy with that size to develop isn't a bad thing for a 7th.

    Taylor- C+.
    performed at the college level but smaller than a guy like Corey Moore, who couldn't make it; it looks like he might be a pro OLB, and we need a developmental OLB like we need moody WRs. But, he looks like a football player, so why not? I think the problem where this pick has less merit is in the idea that he's going to be an end.

    Bentley - D
    whatever, he doesn't have to be anything, but don't see merit.


    Overall - B.
    We got 4 really good players (3 of which are usable right now), it will cost us one really good player next year. We got bigger, deeper, and stronger on offense, faster on defense. The biggest decisions I didn't like are what we traded away and where a few of these guys play, not that we got bad fits or bad values.
     
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  10. CelticCat

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    Raw, a bit light in the backside. Could use better leverage and get lower in her stance. Has a hitch in her throwing motion causing the ball to fly backwards, especially when she locks onto receivers or is getting chased from behind.
     

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