Earth to Schroll

I don't think anyone said "don't talk about it" or "it's not allowed to say that Fox should be fired."

People have been saying "fire this, fire that" for years now, though Schroll's comments that Fox's job may be in danger due to benching Weinke may have been the first volley. In general, most of that hasn't been rational. Now, things are starting to unravel, and none of us like it.

I'm more toward waiting and seeing. In the end it doesn't actually matter, and we'll find out in a few weeks regardless.

 

Fox and Hunrey suck at roster building, we're living the results of that now. change now (end of season) or change later - when you do want a chance at winning consistently again?

 

immediately. Do I trust John Fox more than a random coach? Don't know right now. That answer is changing. I'm not especially reactionary, and if we made all the moves that some of us expected, we'd be a lot worse. But I do expect better than this, certainly.

You could go into who you blame for the roster, and all of that, but let's not.

 

So I'm not little Mary Sunshine, tough shit. Man up for once. I must not have the same prescription on my rose colored glasses as you. I can take disagreement, what pisses me off is the continual excuse making for Fox you've become a Jedi Master at. You of all people should know better.

I seem to recall you telling me I'm giving each pick equal weight for post after post after I told you that I wasn't. You've continued doing it as recently as a few posts ago on the other thread. You want to harp on the Franklins of the world when the point is we had a known need then failed to address it and knowing we had the need this particular pick was the product of the Fox/Hurney thought process that keeps the revolving door whirling at certain positions. You rather the discussion be limited to should we have counted on this particular guy doing something for us since he's a late round pick. That does nothing to determine why they continue failing to fix things does it?

 

read the comment again, it was about the contracts Hurney gave Weinke and Fasani and the fact that having several of those type contracts eatting up cap room on the bench would prevent us from doing other things.

 

Why not?

 

because it'd be another can of worms for him to have to try and explain away for Fox/Hurney

 

because whether you hold Fox responsible for just the coaching, or for more, won't change whether it's been acceptable. I think that's been some of the part that's been more mystifying, though, seeing 80 tons of words indicting Fox for personnel instead of coaching. People know John Fox is a good coach, so even people who wanted Fox fired years ago tend to tread lightly on that.

 

I'm not in favor of firing Fox, I like him and I think he's a good coach. But either he or Hurney or both together are responsible for what we have. I don't see the problem with discussing who is responsible for evaluating both draft picks and free agents. Something has to change, would another GM better, do we need to hire someone to evaluate talent and let Hurney stick to contracts?

 

Except that's bullshit, and you've been saying for thread after thread that I'm making excuses just because I didn't want his head two months ago. The pretense that I haven't said anything against Fox or Hurney is so misguided and false that it's like you just haven't been paying attention for the last 6 fucking years.


Then again, you said something about me wanting to fire everyone but Fox, which was apparently such a big blunder that you stopped arguing in that thread entirely, so who knows what you think I'm saying anyway. All I can say is, when your dog starts giving you instructions, don't pay attention to them.

and after the fact you also said you weren't advocating firing Fox midseason even though you brought it up.

we finished 2nd overall on defense that year. We signed 5 FAs that year. We drafted a corner that next year in the 3rd, drafted a first the year after that. But certainly, Brad Franklin matters, and it's obvious that John Fox wasn't allowed a second year to put a team together if they didn't address every single need with a top 100 pick the year after 1-15.

Well, if that was your point, it might've made sense to make that your point instead of making a useless list. I'm afraid that you thought drowning people in nonsense was going to put them to sleep until January.

The way they continually failed to address cornerback has really let us down, I agree. Just think about how good our defense would be if we just had, oh, three starting cornerbacks.

The thing is, they've made plenty of mistakes, and anyone can see that there have been a lot of things I haven't agreed with. That doesn't make it damning.