Draft game with a new list

Allright, agreed on teams that actually need to develop a player.

We don't. We have a quarterback locked up as a backup that doesn't look to go anywhere, and a 3rd stringer who's already been annointed that project.

Ehh. You had that opinion. Of course, you always do. I honestly see nothing about our RB group that is at all worth keeping as-is whatsoever. And yet there's very little chance our QBs would actually see anyone more than, potentially, a 7 to take up PS room.

 

True, but going a few spots up from where you pick wouldn't be out of line. Although, I did look from our spot down, I thought about Addai at #58.

 

Don't even try to pretend that all teams that draft a QB in the first four rounds need him to start anytime soon. Guys who are taken in the first round are expected to start usually by their second season, but those in the second to fourth rounds are not necessarily expected to start at all.

Regarding Weinke, he's already going to be 34 years old with a limited skill set. I'm fine with him being the backup for now, but there's certainly nothing wrong with trying to upgrade there, especially with a guy who could allow us to save some money, since he'll undoubtedly make less than Weinke. Then please show me anyone who believes that LeFors will ever win a starting job in the NFL.

I'd like to upgrade at RB or just about anywhere else, but I did show that very few teams in the NFL have a second round draft choice and a journeyman rusher with 500 or more yards in a season backing up their starter. Our depth is not going to wow anyone, at least not unless Shelton shows us something impressive, but it's still solid depth.

 

I read what you have to say when it happens to be in the context of a productive discussion. You said that you almost never get anything out of a QB after round 5. You were wrong. You did not say that it rarely happens, you said that it almost never happens.

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eh....no shit. I never said otherwise. What I did correct you on was your notion that you almost never get production from QB's taken after round 5. I named you six QB's that were drafted in rounds 5+, and two others that were not drafted (and way to write those off, too). I don't know, but it seems to me that if you weren't drafted at all, your name should be included in this discussion. It's relavent, since you claim that unless you grab a QB before the 5th, you're almost never going to get anything out of it.

I would not say that drafting a QB 5-7 is a waste if your other needs have been met, partiucularly if you covet a project late in the draft. Belichick and Dick Rehbein spent hours splitting hairs on Rattay v. Brady. They chose Brady, wisely. Not Rattay, or C John Romero, or WR Emmanuel Smith. Or even the first RB taken in 2000's 6th, Thomas Hamner:bananalam.

 

Something happening 4% of the time qualifies as "almost never," or at the very least, it's close enough for me to feel comfortable about what I said.

Before "the last ten years," you moron. I said 64 QBs had been taken in rounds 5-7 over the last ten years, and that three of the players you mentioned qualified for that time frame, because the other three were drafted before that. Then as a postscript I went back and added that over the last twenty years (the time frame for all six of those players), 149 QBs were taken.

It's hilarious how you portray yourself as someone intelligent and mature, only to make offensive comments every time I point out the fact that you said something stupid. No one is buying your image, chief. Decide whether you want to play dirty or bitch about how people should be decorous in their dissent.

And you aren't. It's almost always a wasted pick, like us taking Randy Fasani. You're far more likely to find something of value at another position. That's simply a statistical and historical fact.

 

Fasani turned out to be a waste. Most do. But it there have been enough late-round/undrafted in the past 10 years to entertain the notion. I don't think most teams gear their future around a 6th round QB. I am not suggesting that I would. But it does happen enough to give more than two shits about QB's in that half of the crop.

The way you worded the Johnson comment could have been interpreted two ways. Thinking someone as obsessed with this shit as you would've whiffed on Brad Johnson's draft position was a bit presumptuous, so my bad there.

I will stack up my image against yours any day around here. I win, going away.

 

3 out of 64 is fairly compelling evidence to the contrary.

That's like comparing Robert Mugabe with Osama bin Laden. Most people don't know who the fuck you are, and the ones who do probably think of you as some arrogant, condescending dickhead. I refer you to Purr's recent rebuke.

 

How will I survive, knowing that no one here knows who I am....so the fuck what, you cyber-fuck. Get laid.

I can assure you that the few that do know me around here respect me a helluva lot more than you. You belong over at MIT's Rant 'n Rave, or perhaps you should just curl up in mom's basement and work on that "masters degree."

Let us all know when you amount to something JD.

 

see what you can come up with doing it both ways. As is-no one before the slot given them and say within two slots of where they're ranked. It'd change my picks for sure.

as is

27 Ko Simpson FS
58 Daryn Colledge T
88 Jerious Norwood RB
89 Will Blackmon CB/KR
121 Kevin Boothe G
155 David Thomas TE
234 Brandon Johnson OLB
237 Johnny Jolly DT

+2
27 Demeco Ryans OLB
58 Joseph Addai RB
88 Pat Watkins FS
89 Will Blackmon CB/KR
121 Kevin Boothe G
155 Joe Toledo T
234 Cooper Wallace TE
237 Johnny Jolly DT

 

the idea is to only take what's left, which is what makes it more "accurate" than just stating who you'd want in what round. Just doesn't work that way. It makes it more of a pain in the ass, I know. But you get the idea and the intent, and it's not to name your seven favorite players.

Nope. You're right. And I never looked to intimate as such.
So how many of them just re-signed their backup to a new deal, and had just drafted a QB? We've never drafted a first day QB, for that matter, since Collins. We've got a 3rd, we've got a backup that could very well be here as long as the 3rd, and both are good enough, at the least, for what we need.
I'm not shitting on Clemens. But there's absolutely no way in hell we burn a first day pick on a QB.