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Mudville Nine Revealed

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by HAVEPSL, Feb 21, 2006.

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  1. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:38 AM #11
    The Brain

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    I was thinking they had low TV revenue though. That's generally what they base the markets on.
     
  2. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:48 AM #12
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    numbers are tv homes, not population

    http://www.lostremote.com/story/nielsen_markets_2004.htm

    1 New York 7,355,710 6.712
    2 Los Angeles 5,431,140 4.956
    3 Chicago 3,417,330 3.118
    4 Philadelphia 2,919,410 2.664
    5 Boston (Manchester) 2,391,840 2.183
    6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,359,870 2.153
    7 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,292,760 2.092
    8 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,241,610 2.045
    9 Atlanta 2,059,450 1.879
    10 Detroit 1,943,930 1.774
    11 Houston 1,902,810 1.736
    12 Seattle-Tacoma 1,690,640 1.543
    13 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,671,040 1.525
    14 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,665,540 1.520
    15 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,596,280 1.457
    16 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,556,670 1.420
    17 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,496,810 1.366
    18 Denver 1,401,760 1.279
    19 Sacramnto-Stktn-Modesto 1,315,030 1.200
    20 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,303,150 1.189
    21 St. Louis 1,216,700 1.110
    22 Pittsburgh 1,186,010 1.082
    23 Baltimore 1,087,730 0.993
    24 Portland, OR 1,086,900 0.992
    25 Indianapolis 1,053,020 0.961
    26 San Diego 1,025,730 0.936
    27 Hartford & New Haven 1,017,530 0.928
    28 Charlotte 1,004,440 0.917
     
  3. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:51 AM #13
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    that shows how odd it is for us to be in that group
     
  4. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:51 AM #14
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    Higher ranked than I expected, and Denver was lower ranked than I expected.
     
  5. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:53 AM #15
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    That's because the team is run by smart people. They're making money in a small market. Small market teams are complaining they can't compete vs big market teams, but a lot of those teams could make more money if they put a better product on the field. Look at the top 10 alone. You've got Chicago, San Fran, Atlanta and Detroit. You know damned well they could have better numbers than they do if they would run their businesses with some responsibility.

    Then again Washington has a fool at its helm, but apparently he's making enough money that he could care less how much his team's gonna suck.
     
  6. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:54 AM #16
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    I've heard that the Panthers' premium seating cost are higher than others, and Jer doesn't want to share the $$$. He's got a gold mine on the club seats and suites. Guaranteed sold out each year.
     
  7. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:55 AM #17
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    doesnt Houston have PSL's also?
     
  8. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:57 AM #18
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    panthers own the stadium though. the non-shared revenue that seems to be the sticking point has a good bit dealing with stadium take, as well as income from local media and sponsoring. other than the argument that "well, that's the way the league works" why should those things be shared? did the cardinals help fund and build the stadium?
     
  9. Feb 21, 2006 at 11:58 AM #19
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    That's baseball. :)
     
  10. Feb 21, 2006 at 12:21 PM #20
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    Looking at the wrong metrics. The size of the market does not matter, it is the value of the team. Based on the 2004 valuations of all pro sports franchises, the list makes a little more sense

    http://www.teenanalyst.com/business/franchisevalues.html

    Redskins #1 overall #1 NFL
    Cowboys #2 overall #2 NFL
    Panthers #5 overall #4 NFL
    Broncos #8 overall #7 NFL
    Patriots #9 overall #8 NFL
    Eagles #17 overall #16 NFL
    Giants #18 overall #17 NFL
    Jets #19 overall #18 NFL

    Report did not include the Texans, but I imagine in 2006 they are a top 20 pro franchise in terms of value.
     
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