Delhomme playoff rating

when it changed..

all due respect to stephen davis cause i love him to death.. but our running game took off in atlanta after the first game after the 1st series davis played.. then we put foster in and since then he was the main back and davis got put on IR and now goings seems to be coming on as # 2 but we'll need goings to come up and be the back for us like he was last year and i believe hes totally capable.. also gotta give props to my team before the panther-era the pittsburgh steelers.. even though palomalu had the pick and they took it away.. its aight.. peytons turning into another marino.

 

I am not bitter at anyone personally, so Collin, no need to flatter yourself. I do resent the fact that Delhomme continually gets bashed when many of his poor performances were during a time this run based offense was not producing anything with the run and to date there has yet to be a #2 option to step up at WR. It's been all Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme until recently.
We've seen a decrease in mistakes because the running game has improved greatly and now there isn't as much need to force things on Jake's part.

It can't be denied that Delhomme makes mistakes, just like any other QB...or human being for that matter. However, I take issue with the emphasis that is placed on his mistakes being taken out of context to support some personal idea that is out of left field.

He's won here, he continues to win here. It's not like he's keeping us from the SB, he played a key role in getting us there before and damn near lead us to victory. I'll take the bad with the good when the end result has us playing for a SB berth.

 

Then you should resent you own complete ignorance, because absolutely anyone should be able to understand that having a subpar running game and a disappointing #2 receiver does not cause you to make mind-numbingly stupid decisions with where you throw the ball. Those things would be fine objections if the question was simply the overall quality of Jake's numbers, but that was never the issue, and those things certainly did not make Jake blindly throw it to the other team. That is the problem. It was a problem against New Orleans, New England, Miami, Detroit, Chicago, and Tampa Bay (some would add Dallas, but even though that INT was into heavy coverage I thought it was an ok decision, Roy Williams just made an awesome play).

See above. Jake's mistakes during the regular season are so dumb, so frequent, and so costly that they put him in the miserable company of Aaron Brooks, etc. Everyone makes mistakes, but doing it game after game is a fucking pattern. Doing it throughout your career as a starter is a major problem.

As noted, if not for Chris Weinke saving us from Jake Delhomme's absolutely awful play against Detroit, we might not have made the playoffs at all (hard for me to believe Dallas wouldn't have played better against St. Louis if they still had a chance). Yes, Jake can be very good. He has proven that in the playoffs, which makes his abject stupidity during the regular season all the more frustrating. At this point we're paying him like he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and he damn sure ought to play like it for more than just the final month of the season.

 

Ah, but it does cause a high strung QB to press, which is when JD makes his biggest mistakes. There's cause and effect here you just can't seem to put together.

All games in which our running game was lagging...Tampa game wasn't too bad.

So your saying Jake is like the VERY talented Aaron Brooks. Nah, he's got more heart and balls than Brooks could ever muster. LOL, nevermind, no comment needed on this one...been there, done that. We don't need another argument over your continued abuse of relative terms.

I sometimes have to question if you really know as much as you appear to know about football. Part of the game is forcing your opponent to make mistakes, Jake easily forces more mistakes on his opponents than he commits.

Jake wasn't pulled from that game, he got his bell rung and yes he made some bad throws...doesn't mean he wouldn't have gotten the same result. Of course, not trying to take anything away from Weinke.

If he were that bad, he wouldn't be in the league. It's noted to death that you don't like him, want someone else, whatever. But whoever would replace him, you'd have to say the same damn things about because the mistakes he makes are made by EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE.

 

The mentioned players were able to step up in spots and generate yards. Pass had a good game at Denver, while they were behind, which kept some pressure off of Brady. On the road against Miami, Evans was able to pop some good runs to keep the Pats in manageable situations. The Panthers struggled in that area, and it forced the quarterback to throw into the middle/deep areas of the field moreso than you would like.

No, they were not "threats" game in and game out, but they did help their team on the ground during the middle part of the season, while Carolina was still force feeding the ball to Stephen Davis.

 

And even without him getting the come-from-behind TD that's often been his trademark, he still finished at 60%, 235 yards, 2 TDs, and almost an 80 rating even with the 3 INT. The 3 INT hurt, but he was also our motive power that day.

Definitely agreed. There's no way he'd be around if he were as bad as the exaggeration states.

 

Oh good lord. Someone just lost all credibility with me. A smart guy backs the hell off when he's losing not start whining that he's an unfair target. Jesus wept!

 

No one? How about you:

And that is just the first half of this thread.

 

Good one. Nice tie in. :229031_ha

 

Wrong. I tried explaining this to you, but apparently you're too stupid to understand. Having a suspect #2 receiver or a suspect running game could certainly hurt Jake's numbers. It absolutely should not ever hurt Jake's decision-making. The running game and #2 receiver did not make Jake throw the ball directly to Mike Vrabel with no one else around him. The running game and #2 receiver did not make Jake throw the quick slant against Miami without even bothering to notice that the safety had walked up directly into that zone well before the snap. The running game and #2 receiver did not make Jake throw two ducks directly to Nathan Vasher before he had ever even been sacked in the game. The running game and #2 receiver did not make Jake give two gifts to the Detroit defense, keeping them in a game they should have been blown out of. The running game and #2 receiver did not make Jake throw to a spot Ronde Barber was sitting on.

Moreover (and this is the coup de grâce), Jake was still making the same kinds of mistakes when we had a good running game and quality #2 receiver.

Very true, and that's the point. Jake makes boneheaded decisions so often that he is rightfully compared to Aaron Brooks. Thankfully for us, he does have some other qualities that make up for it, but he still needs to be eliminating those idiotic decisions. Oh and by the way, you might want to remember that everyone disagreed with you on the Aaron Brooks-talent argument. You got your ass shredded, but it's no surprise you'd like to remember that differently. No one likes to acknowledge that they're a know-nothing moron after all.

No he doesn't, dipshit. A QB forces mistakes by looking off coverages, something we've already noted that Jake doesn't do very much. What thankfully does do is take advantage of mistakes that are made without his prompting, as with the two Smith touchdowns against Chicago.

Made some bad throws? There is one and only one reason that game was even close. Hell, that one game is proof against the idea that no one person can win or lose a football game in the NFL. The defense held the Lions to absolutely nothing, but Jake's series of stupid decisions single-handedly kept them in the game.

I don't dislike him, you inbred son of two white-trash siblings. I dislike morons like you, I have nothing against Jake personally. It's been noted countless times that I not only wanted him starting over Peete, but predicted that he would come in and be productive. And prior to his extension, I was in favor of bringing him back if it was for a reasonable amount of money. It wasn't.

Look, I've been critical of Peppers, but does that mean I don't like him? That would be odd, considering that I have his jersey. No, it means that I'm critical of anyone who deserves it, and Peppers most certainly did. Delhomme does too, and you can disagree with me until the end of the world, but I'm still the smart one and you're still the moron, and I'm still the one who almost always ends up being right at the end of the day.

No, they aren't, you truck stop glory hole. That's the whole god damned point, that Jake's mistakes go well above and beyond what is acceptable. I've already noted countless times that every quarterback does make mistakes, but that Jake's are of a frequency and a level of stupidity far worse than most any other quarterback in the league. Fortunately he does a lot of good things to balance out most of those mistakes, but to be a great quarterback he absolutely needs to improve and to eliminate the absolute stupidity he has shown over the regular season. Every QB in the league did not have 6 or arguably more games this season where he made obviously stupid decisions that either cost his team the game or put it in peril.



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If I'm not mistaken, Jake made exactly $2 million in both of those years on his initial contract. And forgive me if I'm not disappointed about losing credibility in your eyes, especially when I've won this argument long ago, and when you're undoubtedly bitter yourself about getting beaten down in a separate argument.