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Dump the run, score some points!

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by madmike, Dec 30, 2005.

  1. madmike

    madmike I Like Mexician Beer!

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    We were averaging around 28 points a game at one time. Scoring often and early and were winning. Then they try to fix the problem by emphasizing the running game. We've taken it to the chin and the offense can't get in stride. Enough with the smashmouth philosophy. Just throw the ball. Isn't a pass in the flat to Foster for a ten yard gain just as good as a 10 yard gain up the middle running the ball? To quote a real butthole, "Just win, baby!". Foxy might have been alittle too concerned getting the running game going.
     
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    I think we've shown that, unless it's actually working in a game, that pushing the run too hard does hurt us.

    I also think that playaction all the time isn't working, either. Sometimes you just have to pass straight out - it's okay, nobody's worried about the playaction anyway.
     
  3. Coach Micool

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    So would this be due to lack of execution, or playcalling, etc. (Foxy and/or Henning). Cause I've been saying this all fukin year. Only not in definite terms like you just laid out.

    It's like they go into a game saying "we're gonna do this, gaddammit, whether it works or not because we are gonna be a power running team like it or not, and we aren't gonna do anything different if you do manage to stop us. And if you do stop us, then you are a better team".


    I guess that's why I like our 2 min O, and why it seems Jakes and the O as a whole does so well. Our 'identity' changes from what the coaches want us to be, to what we really are, effectively. Like it or not, guys, we are just not a power running team this year for whatever reason, nor a good running team period, this year we do much better not pushing the run so much.

    Where are the quick outs? What happened to the screens? No smoke passes last game. I've said it a thousand times. We do something very successfully one game, and we never see it again for games on end. It just confuses me, but not opposing Ds.
     
  4. madmike

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    Good points, we should really go to the no huddle straight out of the blocks on Sunday. Everybody knows Mora JR. going to try some off the wall crap. Let's go no huddle and score first.
     
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    Except the Panthers.. Our "D" bites all over the play action...
     
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    The only potential problem with coming out "chucking the ball around" is our QB's propensity to make bad throws. Sure, Jake has the capability to throw for 300 and a couple of TDs, but he could also come out flat, get pressured and get picked 3 times. It's a crap shoot. Do you gamble our "playoff lives" on which Jake shows up?

    If we run, we keep the clock running and the game close. It's not pretty, but it's got us to 10-5, which could be considered pretty darn good with our current talent level (missing Jenx, Wharton's struggles, Colbert's funk, inconsistent RBs, etc).
     
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    Execution's been somewhat lacking in areas overall, but we've also put too much into what's not working. There are a lot more problems with our run game than pass game; less talent, more mistakes.

    :agreed:



    Couldn't hurt. We actually do tailor some of the passing game to the short pass/RAC, but not enough variety, just as with other things we call. Henning's ideals include a minimum of plays with a maximum of looks/formations, but I see no reason why we wouldn't or couldn't expand that to the level of most other teams.
     
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    I agree.

    However, our coaches have the philosophy that the run game sets up the pass. But of course, that is if it's moderately successful.

    I believe in our case, that the pass sets up the run. I'm not advocating a total chuck and duck, but some short passes, smoke passes, screen passes, and even an occasional shuttle pass (something we've never done) would do well and set the run up better.
     
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    It's too bad he coudn't have a lot more different pass plays out of the same formation, instead of a small number of pass plays out of a bunch of different formations.

    Other Ds aren't stoopid. They obviously know that we only have like five pass plays, and don't pay too much attention to our formations. We aren't fooling anybody at this point.
     
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    I know we have been bashing the O basically since the chic game (well, harshly anyway, we've been complaining about it for years),

    Anyway, I'd like to add, that our D has been most of the problem , especially against the run, in the TB and Cowgirls loss.

    They are the one's who really must come to play the mexicans. Of course we must score some points, but we can't get run all over by DRD and expect to win.
     

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