Tom Brady a product of the system

No....I do not base my assertions on Manning's preparation on media hype, but rather seeing him play week in and week out. I think it is what it is. I can't think of another QB who prepares harder and commands his offense better than Manning. Give me another week, and maybe I will. But I doubt it.

As for others making him better, that is true of any QB. But I do think that Manning has slightly more hand in his receivers' success than his receivers' have had in his. It's close, but Manning has had a little more of an impact, IMO.

Unlike some here, I do not base my opinions on the way the media presents things. I have been in and around the media all my life (long and depressing story), so I have a good idea when I am seeing/hearing/reading bullshit.

 

manning ain't shit compared to brady yet.

 

In terms of the rings, not even close.

In fact, by that barometer, he's behind Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, and Jeff Hostetler.

Seriously, until he wins a Super Bowl, he will be questioned. Rightfully so, to a large degree.

 

fuck Brady and fuck the Patriots


that is all

 

Oh? You live in Indianapolis? I thought you lived in South Carolina where Colts games are rarely televised. Moreover, I'm interested to know how you're able to know from your own judgment that Manning studies more film than any other quarterback and has a better grasp of his offense than anyone else when you haven't seen him behind the scenes.

Although you're not necessarily wrong about Manning, you really need to gain some maturity and learn that it's ok to have your opinions challenged. You make yourself look bad when you get defensive and try to argue that your flawed or outright incorrect opinions are somehow inviolate.

You haven't seen how Manning prepares, nor have you talked to him. You have only watched him on television, which is presumably where you got the idea that he prepares harder and commands his offense better because Joe Theismann told you so.

I'm fine with that being your opinion, but the opposite could be just as easily argued.

Dude, you occasionally write for free for a small town paper in the middle of nowhere. You are not in the media. I did congratulate you for getting published at all, but milking such a minor thing is getting rather ridiculous. I understand that you desperately want your opinion to be considered credible, but this is beyond absurd. It's like a guy on public access claiming that he's "in television." Be proud of what you've been able to do, but stop trying to spin it as if you have any legitimate experience. Overstating such things when people already know the circumstances only makes you look bad.

 

Nah...you're right. Just stuck down here in lil' SC.

I have NFL Sunday Ticket, like many. It gives me an opportunity to watch Indy play every week.

I opined that Manning studies film more than any other QB in the NFL based on the fact that he is, more than any other QB in the NFL, an offensive coordinator behind center. He audibles (dummy and direct) as much as anyone in the league. He, IMO, has better rhythm and timing with ALL of his receivers (Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, TE's, Backs) than any other QB in the NFL.

No, I never claimed to have any sort of insider's access to an NFL locker room. Never said that, and it might be better in the future for you to respond to things I say, and not things that you think I might mean.

I would never say that Brady not talented. In fact, it was yours truly who has said for a long time that he has one of the best triggers in the league.

In theory, it's easy to say that you could just plug Brady into the Colts scheme and he would put up Manning's numbers. But that would not be giving Manning his full due for what he brings to the Colts. He studies more that any other QB in the NFL. He has a better command of his offense than any other QB in the NFL. I think it is reasonable to argue that Manning has made everyone else around him better.

Hypotheticals are worthless for just this reason. We will never know how Brady would fare in Indy. It's never going to happen

I still can't quite figure out where in this (or any other post in this thread) I got defensive? Again, we may need to re-evaluate things here.

Again. You are assuming entirely too much, rather than just discussing the subject with me. I have watched Manning play every week this year...on television. They are running the ball with greater frequency--5th in the NFL in attempts. Manning is still lurking around 70%, and it shows on tape. He is sharp. He does have some mighty fine weapons to work with. No one, myself included, ever disputed that. I would say that Stokely and Wayne are better for having Manning with them. Harrison was a stud to begin with, so no arguments there.

And, just for the record, if you never, ever again assumed that me and Joe Theismann agreed on anything, that would be great.

You're exactly right. Which is why I said earlier in this Brady v. Manning thread that it could fall either way. Brady has the rings, while Manning has the records. IMO, Manning could command the Patriots' offense and succeed. Some will not agree with that, and you know what.....that's fine, in that it is a very tight call.

Geez...thanks. I was just pondering the whereabouts of my paycheck.

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I have been in and around the media all my life (long and depressing story)

Grew up in broadcasting since I was a baby. My ol' man in a broadcaster....radio and television. Has started in Charlotte in 1975, and moved to Greenville to run a radio station in 1987. Has been there ever since.

Me....I anchored a morning sports show on WCCP-FM in Greenville (00-01). College took me away from the mic, and I got hooked up with The Greenville News shortly thereafter. Worked as a copy editor for about a year. That got old, so they gave me an opportunity to freelance.

So, yes....sadly, I have been IN and AROUND the media all my life. That was the short and less depressing version.

It was never intended to impress anyone, nor to piss you off. It was simply my way of expressing to you my disappointment in your assumptions, namely the one that I am a bumbling homer who loves Joe Theismann.

I am what I am....a freelance journalist, full-time salesman, and a happily married man. And....yes....a hopeless Panthers fan. My experience in the media is certainly not on par with a Dave Anderson, or a Dick Enberg, or even....ugggh...Darin Gantt. But I have been around radio, television, and print media ever since I was shitting in my diapers. And I will probably be in and around the business until....well....I am shitting my diapers.

So, with that said, enjoy the last word.....and today's game.

 

hammer, i'm not trying to take anything away from peyton, but the interceptions in the playoffs is something he's actually done, twice i think. he's got a ceiling there. for all the dumbass things jake's done, he rose like a motherfucking true champion in the playoffs. and brady, that mf don't choke. i'm not saying peyton can't, or won't, but he put his ceiling there and he's going to have to break through it before he's anything but great #'s. seriously, who would you rather have on your team in the playoffs - jake, brady, or peyton.

 

I hear ya man. Manning has thrown some horrific balls in the playoffs. And for that, he is not a champion.

I have been one of Delhomme's biggest defenders here. I think he is more clutch than choke, and he did play near-mistake free football in the 2003 playoffs. In fact, he had the one of the best second halved in the Super Bowl history.

I don't like to play the "who would you rather have" game too much. Truth is, we have Jake. He is right for this team. He's not always great, but over the past 17 weeks, I defy anyone to find me 5 other QB's in the NFL who have been more productive.

 

btw, why'd you jump my shit in that thread about gant's article on moose? bad day?

 

Me? Clarify?