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Since "they" probably don't believe that, and they're not going to say it, let's skip ahead to the reason you think they won't and why you're speaking for a team.

oh, okay. Only stupid people don't agree with you on Tebow. 10-4.

Even you suggest that he needs a very radically different offense (in a league that runs the triple option and the single wing/wildcat), and that he can't make all the throws. That a team has to become essentially devoted to him, build around him, and more or less forget about anything they want to do offensively. I like that you have built-in excuses for him pretty much every step of his way.

well, no. You like to infer things, but you definitely said I hated Tebow because of "his faith". Which is my faith. Which is most of the NFL's faith. When I asked you to tell me more about my religion you got quiet about that.

I set trends. But, seriously, you don't think anyone says derogatory things toward Tim Tebow?

But, like most of these stupid arguments, I like that you're focusing so hard on me, because it keeps you from having to determine why you're so doggedly defending this player when you suggest yourself an oracle of good quarterback play. It seems a lot more emotional than logical on your part.


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What it says is Tebow cant throw to the outside worth a damn. How long do you think he can go only throwing slants and post routes over the middle? You dont think NFL defenses will adjust to that in about 2 weeks. Let me know when the talking heads start rating QB's only by slants and wide open post routes after play action. Its great that splits can show us where a QB has his most success, but NFL defenses study that shit too. They're not just gonna let Tebow throw slants and posts all day long. You might be able to pull it off for a week or two but any team worth its salt will gameplan for it.

Interesting that said incompetent co-ordinator is now considered to be a future promising HC candidate. Amazing what Peyton can do for your career.

LOL.

For the record I dont HATE Tebow as you so eloquently put it. In fact you can probably find posts here from me wishing him success if either of us cared to look for them. I think he has traits where he could succeed in the NFL longterm, I just dont see it as a QB. And if he goes to the Jags it'll be an even bigger joke IMO, that might just kill his career. The worst team in the NFL wants the two worst passers (Gabbert and Tebow) in the league to duke it out, awesome stuff I predict for Jags fans. No, that's not about selling seats to the Tebow show at all.

My fault, I knew I phrased that wrong when I posted it. Thats not what I meant at all. Im not talking about commercial value, im talking about the play on the field his rookie year that garnered so much attention around the league last year. You remember, breaking Mannings rookie passing record, his total TD's, breaking the most running TD's by a QB ever in the league. And this year, being on target to throw for more yards than any QB ever his first 2 years in the league. Also keep in mind Rodgers sat for like 4 years and Brady sitting for 1, took about 6 years to break the 4000 yard mark. Brees took 5 to break 4000. Dont you think he deserves a little credit even tho he doesnt have a SB ring?

Bonus point for temerity but i aint sceered.

You really need to stop with the 64% crap. You know better than to assign wins and loses to one player. What if Prater misses those kicks in OT?

As far as the D goes a quick search produces these two neat articles

Denver’s Defense Goes From Dismal To Dominant « CBS Denver

Denver defense has been a quiet success - AFC West Blog - ESPN

And your turnover arguement is weak at best. For a QB that threw for barely over 1700 yards during the regular season for 12 TDs and 6 Ints I wouldnt be making alot of claims either way. Not to mention he got lucky he retained quite a few of those 13 fumbles. Yes he does get first downs, running the ball, which is why I think his future resides at HB or FB.

 

Click on a website or watch some TV because people have been saying that since BEFORE the season started. It's pretty obvious that Tebow hasn't been given a chance, and given how successful he was last season, it's the most plausible explanation.

Can you make one post anymore without lying? Seriously, just one post without a lie would be an improvement. Or better yet, quote me whenever you refer to something I say since that will help you avoid lying. I did not say that Tebow "can't make all the throws." I said that he's a lot better throwing between the numbers than outside them. That's true for all quarterbacks, although his disparity is bigger than most. But most teams don't throw half of their passes to the sideline the way the Broncos did in 2011.

Which is what you've said. Repeatedly. You have made it very, very clear that you dislike him personally because of how public he is about his faith. And by the way, maybe you should open the Bible once in a while because I'm pretty sure it directs adherents to profess their faith.

I've never heard anyone except you say derogatory things about him as a person. Even the people who don't like him as a quarterback talk about what a great guy he is. You called him a "douchebag." That shows how emotional and biased you are when it comes to Tebow.

And yet another lie, how nice. From now on, quote specific posts from me whenever you refer to anything I say. I have never at any point suggesting anything even remotely close to Tebow being "an oracle of good quarterback play." Never happened. You lied yet again because you know you're getting your ass kicked yet again in the actual argument.

Reality: Tim Tebow won 64% of his regular season games and a playoff game in 2011.
Reality: Tim Tebow didn't get a chance to play well or poorly in 2012.

 

Collin, I appreciate your perspective. But it amazes me that you see Tim Tebow as a legitimate quarterback?

Can anyone who isn't a lazy fuck like me pull the Buffalo-Denver highlights from week 16, 2011? I want Collin to see how a true "Winner" performs in a "must win" situation.

Jesus Christ, dude.

 

All quarterbacks are worse throwing outside the numbers than between them. For instance. Cam is completing 52.5% of them this season compared to 64.2% in the other parts of the field. For whatever reason, Denver throw most of their pass attempts to the sideline in 2011, which I think is very rare but I don't know for sure since it's not something I've analyzed.

However you want to parse the words, you have an emotional bias against the guy. I have been providing facts, statistics, and other forms of analysis to make my points. You have nothing. Nothing. You even pretended that Denver's defense was good instead of giving Tebow credit, only for me to point out that Denver's defense was almost as bad as the Panthers' defense last season. I would have some respect your opinion if you had facts to back it up, but you're giving me nothing except your own personal feelings.

You should have stuck with the commercial angle because arguing that Cam's actual performance makes him a "franchise quarterback" already looks even worse. No, he's not even close to that level. He was actually mediocre to below average as a passer last season, although I've been pleased to see some improvement in that department this season. He's being ranked in the middle teens by sports sites like ESPN or SI when they list quarterbacks.

That's the problem. You act like you have proven that you know what you're talking about when no one thinks of you that way, and you challenge the things I say as if I haven't constantly proven you wrong over the years. This isn't new, as I noticed that you've always been this way. That doesn't mean that you can't argue with me or that you won't sometimes be correct while I'll be wrong, but it's annoying that you act like we're on the same level because we aren't.

Of course football is a team game, but Tebow consistently came through when it counted. Contrast that with Cam, who has a reputation for choking when it counts. Again, Denver was 1-4 before Tebow took over. 1-4 before, 7-4 after.

I'm aware that the media was hyping the Denver defense. The thing you neglect to mention is that the sports media is made up of idiots. I gave you the actual statistics. The Broncos were well below average on defense in 2011. It's ok to admit that you didn't know that and made a mistake when you tried to pretend that they instead of Tebow were responsible for the team turning it around.

Interesting how Alex Smith gets praised for his 2011 season for avoiding turnovers and keeping the chains moving, but when it comes to Tebow that "argument is weak at best." You're also forgetting that Tim only started eleven regular season games. Pro-rate that to a full season and look at his numbers compared to Smith's:

Alex Smith - 61.3%, 7.1 ypt, 3323 yds, 19 tds, 7 tos
Pro-rated Tebow - 46.5%, 6.4 ypt, 3475 yds, 26 tds, 17 tos

No one is suggesting that Tim Tebow is a great, good, or even average quarterback. But he is a legitimate starting quarterback, or at least he was in 2011. His completion percentage was terrible, but I already pointed out that other guys like Eli Manning had similarly terrible completion percentages early in their career. The reality is that he moved the chains, he did well in the red zone, he avoided turnovers, and his well below average team won games in large part because of him.

 

Instead of butting in on this and getting clowned, maybe you should keep your mouth shut. Me bringing up tons of statistics to prove my points while you having nothing but a Youtube video you want someone else to find is a pretty huge clue that this isn't something you want to argue with me about.

 

By the way, I'm Keith Hernandez.

 

oh, people. So not the NYJ.

the difference between us is that I'll take your word that you said that. But, to me, he can't make all the throws, if your opinion is that he shouldn't be making those throws. That's pretty much the same thing.

I don't know that I'd say repeatedly, but I'm sure you can spend your entire Christmas Eve looking at every word I said about Tim Tebow. I don't know what you're arguing, though. I've said that I don't like him, but you're beating me over the head with it like I'm arguing it.

Maybe you should turn on a website or fire up a TV. OMGLIAR.

But, sure, I don't like the guy. That means anything other than distracting from just how badly he throws? I mean, I've heard you rail on for days about players that statistically have very good days (60% or so, 2 TD or so, no picks/fumbles) that overthrew a couple balls. And here we are, with you defending to the death a guy whose one "good" year saw him not hit 50% completion percentage on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down.

oh, because the Jets had such good quarterback play that Tebow couldn't have possibly played. They just played a 2nd year that took 11 sacks because of political reasons. Rex Ryan doesn't want to win.

 

Smith's QB rating that year, 90.7. Tebow's, 72.9. That does make a difference.

 

You lied about what I said. My post is visible and you clearly understanding the English language, yet you claimed I said something I obviously didn't. You do that a lot.

I'm glad you're admitting it now after denying it earlier, but it's important for establishing how biased you are against the guy.

There's no performance explanation for why they wouldn't give Tebow a chance after what he did last season. If they had played Tebow and he failed then fine, but they haven't even put him out there.