Sanchez benched

Yeah, all the idiots posting here, and all the idiots with jobs in the NFL. How often do you jerk off about an owner coming across your posts, realizing you are a genius, and hiring you as their GM?

 

It's obviously not a "fictional stat." It says the Broncos were using Tebow improperly, just like how we discussed the ways in which the Panthers have been using DW & Stewart improperly. For whatever reason (McCoy's incompetence is the leading contender), Denver kept utilizing sideline routes even though Tebow is drastically worse at those than when throwing to any other part of the field.

I don't care about Tebow. I don't defend players like Tebow or Colin Branch or any of the others I have over the years because of any personal attachment, but rather because I see things that you can't. Hell, I'm a huge fan of DeAngelo Williams and yet sentiment never clouded my judgment to make me believe he was worthy of that contract. I get that you assume my position is driven by bias or emotion because that's how your brain works and you can't comprehend how one like mine works.

Ugh. Being used in commercials doesn't make you a "franchise quarterback." That term means being the type of rare, elite player that can elevate a team through his own play. You know, like Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, and Brees. Don't Luck and RG3 look much more likely to reach that level than Cam does?

I admit that I get annoyed by you having the temerity to challenge me because I don't think you've demonstrated the knowledge to be worthy of doing so, but honestly, the fact that you're interested enough to post at all is good for the board. That said, Tebow didn't win 64% of his regular season games and a playoff game with a below average defense by accident. He avoids turnovers, he forces defenses to play in a way they're not used to, and he gets first downs. It's funny how people didn't have the same reaction to Vince Young that they do to him.

 

Why couldn't he start Tebow? Ryan's fighting for his job. Next year doesn't matter if there's no next year.

Also, given that he said Tebow would play a specific amount (not interested in looking it up, or arguing over the estimation) and has only played, what, 70 snaps all year? That's not some political power grab, he doesn't want to use him.

No he didn't. At least not to my recollection, and he was considered a 'gamer' who didn't practice well by the Broncos.

I also don't know how the Broncos were using Tebow improperly, personally. Most everyone lauded them for changing things up to fit him, and they ran a lot of his college stuff.

 

I joke about it, but mostly when other people make comments indicating a belief that GMs are chosen based on competence. The reality is that most people running sports teams are average guys in extraordinary positions. That's starting to change some in baseball where owners have started valuing highly educated, brilliant minds instead of recycling the same old "experienced" names. There are plenty of people on this board who know as much or more about football than Marty Hurney.

 

Because the team is locked into Sanchez next season. They can start McElroy for two games and then go back to Sanchez as the starter in 2013, but starting Tebow wouldn't afford the same opportunity, especially if he happened to play well and win. Hell, remember that Fox & Elway only started Tebow because they were sure he would suck and it would allow them to get rid of McDaniels' popular draft pick. Had they known he would do so well, they wouldn't have given him a chance either. And as for Rex, he's reportedly been given assurances by the owner that he'll be back next season. Mike Tannenbaum might be shit out of luck, though. Giving Sanchez that extension was a Marty Hurney-type move.

See above. With Sanchez playing awful, Tebow doing well would have blown up the whole situation.

Your recollection is interesting given that one of the reasons you were so high on him was because of how good he looked in practice and preseason. You do remember touting Jeff Lewis to high heaven, right? I posted similar comments about him looking impressive with the Panthers in those contexts.

I already explained how. If you have a guy who struggles to throw to the outside but is fairly accurate throwing slants and posts, then why would you keep having him throw to the outside? It would be like asking Cam to run a precision passing offense with lots of intermediate routes, you know, the ones that he sucks at. I get that you're only posting this because you have a well documented hate for Tebow and have posted several times about how it annoys you that he's so public about his faith. You even called him a "douchebag" after the Pittsburgh playoff win.

 

There's no reason they couldn't do anything they want. They want to cut him and take the big hit? They can. They want to start Tebow and show up next year with Sanchez? They can. Three wins with Tebow and an open competition gives Rex options. Three losses with anybody and they're all out

oh, absolutely. Coaches hate success. Maybe Ryan actively sabotaged Tebow to make sure he wouldn't be successful, right?

oh, absolutely I touted him. And I don't ever recall saying "but he's sooooooooooo good in practice!" Go ask any sports writer.

he's hitting a lot of his intermediate throws. But, then he can make all the throws an NFL QB can make.

I think it's okay to think that a player should be judged on who he is as a player, and not a star because he's a Christian. If you recall, you also tried to put together some sort of thing where I hated him because he's Christian, or something or other about trying to tell me what my faith was. Which was hilarious.

Guy's a mediocre pro QB who made a name for himself on religious and political ideals. If he wasn't outspoken, he wouldn't be all over ESPN, he wouldn't be this lightning rod for attention.

I don't give a shit if Cam Newton is muslim, baha'i, pagan, or plans on sacrificing himself to himself in ten years. If he ever plans on making himself a topic because of his faith or politics, and that becomes by far the biggest or most topical quality, that'd suck.

 

lol

 

Sanchez's extension ties their hands, especially since Tannenbaum would be signing his own pink slip. Committing $17.1 million of your cap to a guy no longer being on the roster is a pretty daunting prospect.

Rex Ryan desperately wanted Sanchez to be successful, while John Fox knew his record last year was irrelevant.

You did. That's exactly what you said about him, which I only recall because I made the same comments. Hell, think back to why you would have been praising him so highly. He barely played with the Broncos, so obviously the only thing you could base it on was practice.

Cam has been a lot better this season after being god awful on them as a rookie. Maybe Tebow would show similar progress if given the chance, but the reality is that we don't know yet.

I didn't have to put anything together. You have outright said multiple times that you can't stand the guy because he's so public about his religion. You said it. As noted, you also called the guy a "douchebag" after his playoff win.

 

and yet, that contract is a fact no matter what. The idea that the team's going to save face by not playing Tebow, but then play a 7th round 2nd year, just doesn't jive. That sounds more like an excuse.

And all of the other teams that seemed to have no real interest in Tebow, the only other one pushing for it to try to grab interest from UF fans? Rex wants to be successful. That contract was stupid, but winning the last two games matters.

OK, if you insist. I know I hyped his camp stuff, but I don't hold onto words to use in useless arguments a decade later.

But no one really doubted Cam would be a quarterback. Right now, there's still a legitimate wonder whether Tebow should be a QB. You yourself suggest he'd have to take a limited, radical offense to actually succeed, which you feel is unlikely. Actually limiting the spaces on the field he can't throw to, and apparently more aggressively unconventional than the numerous teams that already run spread option principles.

All of these things. And yet that doesn't negate what I think of him as a quarterback. The end result is, if he weren't so outspoken, he wouldn't be all over the major networks despite relative irrelevance. And you wouldn't be so vehemently defending him when you have criticized better QB play than he's provided.

And yes, you "put it together". You apparently assumed that I hate Christians, which much like that really weird "reverse racism" thing you often do around Tebow. I don't get your draw to him, honestly, or why it's so important people not say bad things about him.

 

Again, they can play McElroy for two games and go back to Sanchez next season. They don't believe they could do that if they went to Tebow as the starter.

You could have used common sense. Obviously you hyped Jeff Lewis higher than anyone, and you obviously weren't doing it based on his 19 regular season pass attempts with the Broncos. He did look dynamite in practice, which is why I was high on him as well.

Only from stupid people. Again, the guy didn't win 64% of his regular season games and a playoff game with a below average defense by accident. It wasn't luck. He plays ugly, so I get why people don't want to watch that, but he personally was effective. He protected the ball and got first downs.

You can't find one quote of me saying anything like that. Actually, you specifically don't quote me the way I quote you because doing so wouldn't allow you to blatantly lie about what I've said. What I have consistently stated is the fact that you've repeatedly bashed Tebow for being public about his religion, that you personally dislike him as a result of that, and that you called him a "douchebag." I think you're actually the only person I've even heard use an insult like that towards Tebow. Even the ones who think he sucks as a quarterback don't personally attack him the way that you do, so obviously you have a strong emotional reaction to him that colors your perception.