Matt Moore

Just look at some of his highlights on youtube... hehehe

 

again, significant amount of disagreement there. '10 wasn't Hurney. It was JR. It may have been overly exascerbated by Fox' '09 insistence to not play as much youth, but JR's own statements said he chose, after 08, to push another year and then cut if it didn't work. It's not only backed by his words, but also that he's done this before - 01, and unintentionally, 98.

and there really is significant past history of JR throwing his weight around as far as what he wanted to do. It really is amazing that Fox had a relatively unencumbered first number of years, because our other coaches didn't.

 

No, it was Hurney. Jerry Richardson doesn't sit around putting together a roster plan for future seasons. Yes, he's involved, but Hurney sold the idea of rebuilding and Richardson agreed with it.

On individual decisions and players, yes. Richardson wanted Sean Gilbert, and he didn't want to keep Peppers, but he's not micro-managing the roster to the point that he's deciding Carolina should play a certain style or have a certain average age. He's a CEO type who approves the plans that are brought to him, not someone writing them out himself.

 

so the words that Jerry Richardson stated are wrong?

 

Stop pretending to have no idea how this franchise is run just because you feel like arguing. Richardson didn't say "I came up with this plan and told Hurney that we were going to gut the roster if we didn't do well in 2009." You know that JR isn't in the office performing the role of the GM. He's a CEO-type to whom Hurney brings his suggestions, which are then either approved or rejected. He absolutely agreed with Hurney's plan to go young and rebuild, but of course it wasn't his idea. Suggesting otherwise is the kind of thing someone who knows absolutely nothing about this team or its history would suggest. Richardson is not Jerry Jones. He isn't and never has been that intimately involved. He approves or rejects the plans that other people bring to him. Pretending that JR was responsible just because you want to absolve Hurney is absurd.

 

Richardson not being Jerry Jones doesn't mean he isn't, and hasn't in the past, changed the direction of this staff or roster.

so, since Richardson himself obviously has no idea about the words he said, what's the proof Hurney did all this all by himself?

 

Collin's words.

 

I mean, not to intend belligerence, even before JR spoke on it, it seemed everyone blamed JR for this year. Not that consensus makes truth, but it's clear that the conflict was with JR/Fox, re: youth, that any decisions really stemmed from that, and his words back that.


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Nowhere has Richardson ever said that this was his idea. Those words you keep referencing fit perfectly with the idea of an owner endorsing the plan by his GM to take the franchise in a different direction. Look, I don't absolve JR of all blame because I've said I think he was the driving force behind the decision not to bring back Peppers (and especially not to franchise again then trade Peppers for at least something), but there's just no reason why anyone familiar with this franchise would think that Richardson is planning out the roster direction instead of Hurney. It makes no sense, and it didn't happen.

The fans were saying Richardson gutted the roster to make a point for the lockout, which is not what you're suggesting either.

 

it's not like he's ever done it before, like in 2001 after he forced a heavy veteran movement in 2000. It's not like it took years to back off my worries that he was going to continually meddle in this team, and you could still argue that he hires guys he can influence.

I mean, if we're going to say it's all opinion, to which we again disagree, it would suggest that Hurney is somehow the mastermind, the guy handpicking players (he doesn't) or determining the path this franchise is going to take (which has always been Fox, or the last two years, JR). Hurney's even said he's not an evaluator, he's a conduit. Which makes him a go-between for scouting and coaching, but certainly also for the owner. It's why we went through two coach-GMs and then a sportswriter instead of another Polian or Pats staffer. These were all things that seem to be accepted by most.

sure. And again, consensus isn't truth but opinions over why a guy shot another guy doesn't change the person shooting.