Cam Newton report

Its true. And the bust rate is I believe slightly higher for QBs, due to the difficulty of the position.

With the college system going more spread, its going to be more important to develop QBs in the Pro game.

 

not sure how you got there. you take two absolute truths in the universe and without directly saying it, you conclude from those that it would take magic for Newton to become a fanchise QB. when actually the truth of the matter is that he's probably the most physically gifted QB to come outa college maybe ever, and what it will take is not magic but a lot of hard work and good coaching.

now my turn. he's not close to being nfl ready and he's an unbelievable talent. so to me, there are only 2 questions:

1) does he truly have that desire above all else to be great and be willing to grind (oh my gosh, i'm using jimmy's word) on the details for however long it takes, and 2) does he have the character/desire to not get distracted or begin to feel entitled.

no way of knowing for certain how hard he will work after the draft (just like there's no way of knowing about any player at any position). right now, he's doing what you would want to see and that's working hard and showing improvement. that's hurney's call. probably will depend on what he eats for dinner the night before the draft.

meanwhile, his character can certainly be questioned. but he did have enough desire to accept his Blinn punishment and not let him derail him. he took his licks, and got back up. so maybe there's reason for hope.

there you go again. your statement is absolutely true. but, you imply that he has a poor work ethic, which i don't think is known and if anything his history is that he's put in extra time thus far and was the reason his teams won national championsips, and you totally ignore his talent and his "it" factor. the implication is also that we wouldn't be rolling the dice with any other player in the draft which, of course, is false.

neither would i want to be known as the team that passed on him if he turns out to be the best QB in the nfl (see Rodgers, Marino, Ryan or Freeman), especially if said DL turns out to be a bust.

that's all well and fine. i respect your opinion as much as anyones. but ... Jon and Meat want Cam, and I ain't man enough to argue with them.

 

you wouldn't have to ask me twice, I could deal with that.

 

there's a correlation in some cases between guys starting non-1st rounders and another QB - a lot of them on this list - failing on that team.

Really, those are the two options taking a guy like Newton, risk-reward.

I don't honestly know how we avoid taking this completely unready, inexperienced douchebag at this point. There aren't a lot of other options, if you have to have a franchise QB. Plenty of good options for veterans, if you want to work on a guy, one of which is on the above list.

 

Beason also knows we need TDs to win games. Plus, a rolling O keeps the D rested.

 

So who would be the safest pick, reguardless of position in the top10 or so?

One of the WR's, Green or Jones? (Did i just type WR as being the safest position in the draft)

 

Unfortunately, the QB position requires more than just physical gifts. You have to have the mental approach as well. You have to be able to read a defense and put in time in the film room. Newton wants to "entertain and be an icon." And since when have we EVER been able to develop QB talent?!?!?!

There's been lots of QBs who can run and throw 3/4 of the field from their knees. Those guys aren't necesarily pro caliber QBs.

Ding ding ding.... we have a winner. Why develop this "project" when Fairley could be a "plug and play" addition to our defense?

Sorry, I don't want him. If we draft him I will come around to being a fan. I'd much rather grab a guy with experience (Palmer, McNabb, or Grossman) and wait until a better crop of QBs comes around. We are most likely going to be picking in the top 10 for a few years to come (unless Hurney trades them away).

 

IMO, the least risky would be Dareus. Long term play, need position, less character risk.

agree. Who knows if he can read? Who knows if he has any consistency? I don't feel great about his accuracy.

I mean, the last couple years I've finally come around on the huge need for accuracy above all, and here comes this huge armed asshole. I know the new O needs some arm and we want to throw, but it's a timing O. You get picked if you throw to a spot and the receiver gets there, and the ball is somewhere else. You get picked if you read the D one way, the receiver correctly reads it another, and an option route gets brought back for 6.

 

so no one has any concerns about this, then

 

The problem with taking Newton is that even if he comes in, he's not going to be ready to start right away. In our case, we don't have the luxury of waiting around for a couple of years to "see if he pans out and if he doesn't we can start again with some other quarterback prospect". We need someone who can play right away and make us better the first time he steps on the field.