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Tony Pike, Brian St. Pierre split starting reps

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Black&Blue, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. PantherPaul

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    I'd rather start George St Pierre
     
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    SAINT PIERRE

    Kinda stunned that Jackie Miles gave him #6. I thought that was one of Wacky Jackie's "banned numbers"?

    I mean, whatever. He's no less suited to play than is Pike, althought I don't know if holding back Pike in the interest of who "gives us the best chance on Sunday" is a good idea. I would think any QB you spend a draft-choice on is worth developing, whenever humanly possible. If you have your starter in place, and the rookie has to wait and learn, fine. Worked with Kinta-Palmer.

    But the way Fox is managing this season has been a complete fucking mess. I don't care about the youth (Packers, Eagles), or the injuries (Colts, Steelers). He's fucking lost his mind in 2010. Not that Hurney or Richardson get a pass, but they don't dictate lineup changes, playcalling or direct players to execute during the week of preparation. If they did, you would not see a street free-agent with less of a track record than Matt Moore walk into the building a week ago, cram on that dogshit playbook and walk out to start a game.

    I'm really beginning to believe that Edwards is the only QB on the roster (including Clausen) that would demonstrate an instant ability to move the chains, even if it means being a little unconventional. Just sucks, because The Jimmy played not-shitty at Tampa, and he ends up (or maybe Davidson was responsible--I wasn't there) calling two consecutive QB sneaks, with a ticking clock under a minute to go, the last of which results in his big fucking head sticking out there like a pinata--and it got whacked. As much as we sometimes hate pickle boy, he showed progress last week, and a second consecutive start would have been a huge step for his development, if indeed the team intends to keep him and potentially start him next season.

    The five playoff wins that Fox likes to talk about a lot over the last decade belong under the same umbrella as the utter lack of tempo and flexibility on offense in 2010. He deserves every bit of blame for this piece of shit season as Siefert did through 9 games in 2001.

    We'll see what the fat fuck can do in 7 games, but to me, it's been one of most poorly managed teams (coaching-wise) I have ever seen.

    There's a reason we continue to have QB's end up on IR or long-term injury reports: bad play from not only the QB, but absolute bad situational preparation from the staff to the young crop of QB's, as well as a terrible job of coaching up the right side of the offensive line. Back to the Clausen QB sneak-fest at Tampa? Was that all on him? Sure, probably. But do you, as a staff, prepare your young QB for a full chart of situational plays during the week? NFL teams do that, yes. That's why you see a raw player like Michael Vick passing for over 70%: it's been drilled into him by his staff during the week on how to manage the game in every situation. If that approach is being taken by Fox/Davidson/Sherer, fair enough. But unless all of our quarterbacks are the kid from the Garth Brooks video (and, though it's close, they're not), it wreaks of lack of preparedness by all parties involved.

    It's all bad--but Fox gets a fucking pass from his crackhead pals like Jay Glazer, who see the events of this season through a very broad window.

    Good riddance, you dumb drunk fuck.

    As for Hurney: if he's the primary administrator for the past few drafts, including that of 2010, I see no real reason to dick around with his role in that area. Pro personnel determinations? Well, given the spending freeze, I felt Hurney did an admirable job (on a budget) bringing in players that would immediately shore up the special teams weaknesses from 2009 (Wallace Wright, Marcus Hudson). He was working with nothing in this area, so I can't blame him for not retaining a couple vets that I felt could have still helped this team, in this scheme, in this locker room (Damione Lewis, Chris Harris, Na'il Diggs).

    Jake. Why he would participate, on any level, in that signing would be the major blemish on the record. Then again, ankle problems in 2010 notwithstanding, I would love to still have that Cajun fucker around here, even if it was determined that Moore was going to enter as the starter.

    I just remember this time last year, feeling that the QB play could not possible be any more of a problem. Felt that way in 2007, too. And then, 2010 happened. Makes me nostalgic for a Jake Delhomme "17-38, 224 yd, 2 TD, 3 INT" statline. Jake, even as recently as November 2009, was still engineering scoring drives.

    Funny. Some piece of shit on the huddle board just came out with his substantiated rumor that Cowher is coming in for 2011, and bringing back Rivers to NC. I mean, after all the horrible bullshit I have seen in the NFL in 2010, I wouldn't rule anything out--except for that duo.
     
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    You're just pissed because he's wearing #6. Give the guy a chance before you be such an asshole about it.
     
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    pike 6-12 passsing career

    St.#6 2-5 passing career

    its like Fasani version2.0
     
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    Nice to see that we spent draft picks on both Pike and Edwards but they suck so bad that a guy with less career passes than Pike and who was at home changing diapers last week makes our coaches think he should start. I know Fox likes veteran QBs but WTF?????

    Why not start a rookie and see if he shows a spark. It is not like we have anything to lose.
     
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    Maybe they are just sending St-Pierre out to get the shit beat out of him and protecting Pike for down the road?
     
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    I KNOW WRIGHT? i think edwards maiks us more deminsional cause he runs fast hes not carr but he can scrambel and get yardege whan noone is open i think saint piear isnt redy for the baltamore defence cause he dosnt have that scrambel abilety and i think we now regreat not keepin david carr
     
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    When are they going to be able to send Pike out there without a high probability of getting the shit beat out of him? Another reason to throw Edwards in there is that he at least has a chance to scramble successfully.
     
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    I have no problem with #6. It's slowly becoming the new fad (Cutler, Sanchez, Saint Pierre--you know, men of similar ilk). Bubby Brister is somewhere, alone, crying tears of joy over this movement.

    Hey, the pissed-off-edness on my end if perfectly justified. I would love to see BSP kick the living shit out of Baltimore. If he does, then we'll begin the party train.

    I just feel this move is yet another move by our former head coach to somehow salvage a few wins out of the next 7. Not a bad thing--you should always try to win. But all things being equal (BSP = Pike), you probably should go with the guy you used a draft pick on, rather than someone who will probably not be here, or anywhere, 12 months from now. But, yes, since I'm a fan, I don't have the same perspective as our wonderful staff of offensive brains get. I'm just basing my ratioinale on production and results. Pike has played about as many snaps as BSP, and has certainly looked no worse.

    Funny as it sounds, this is a winnable game. Even with whatever shitbag at QB we plug in. Baltimore has been making some critical mistakes in pass coverage, as well as special teams. We get a few more breaks (muffed punts, broken coverages), it's winnable. But you approach this game with a plan to attack a weakness, not run into a strength. This would have been an ideal week for Pike to run out of the spread, work the ball around the field, and at least show his fans and future coaches if he's worth retaining. Now, we'll never know--that is, until Garry Williams gets spun around again and we end up with our 3rd injury at QB--probably sometime early in the 2nd quarter.

    JUMP!
     
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    thats whut i said i said edwards can run like a black witch make him hardar to defind than a pockit guy liek saint piear hes alot like carr in taht regerd but prolly not as good of a paser but atleast with edwards we can has a dule threat
     

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