If not John Fox - who? If not Delhomme - who?

I don't think that makes him terribly more valuable, maybe someone really goes after him though.

Is it ever?

 

I hope that who ever will be the new coach will be a very aggressive kind of coach.Someone who won't afraid to go far it on 4th and very short.We need the kind of coach who won't be afraid to blitz the QB.Fox is a good coach but the problem with John Fox.The panthers almost never called a trick play.When ever the panthers are on offense as fan you can know what play will come on 1st down a running play.Also it Fox responsibility that the panthers Special teams has been bad for 3years. Let me say you can like Jake for beening a good guy .With that said John fox has a responsibility when your QB keep throwing INT every game to pull him out of the game. Hopefully the new coach will not stick by his player when they are playing really bad

 

how about Schottenheimer's kid Brian?

 

that's the problem. I can find plenty of doubts on the young guys, too.

One that makes sense? Sean McDermott. While there's inevitably going to be some bad stuff, there are too many guys who have come out of that Jim Johnson system that have been good. Harbaugh, Rivera, Spags, Leslie Frazier. Some solid names from that system. It's an aggressive system, but a 4-3. So in a lot of ways you're not reinventing the wheel. He'd have to show that he can run a WCO well, too, but I don't think this team would do badly as a WCO team (I'm not even that against the Holmgren/Gruden/Shanahan type ideal, it's just that there are so many veteran WCO coaches out there who have done their thing, and therefore by law of averages won't win another ring).

And, obviously, Mike McCoy


There's two good defensive minority candidates. Winston Moss, who's AHC in GB. But the 3-4 isn't his scheme. He's the one guy they kept last year which is a positive sign, and he's had some interviews. But he's a blank slate on a team where he couldn't really bring much of it with him. He can't really answer what he'd do as a head coach with success to back it. I don't think the lack of coordinating experience bothers me, a lot of these young guys are green as coordinators if at all.

Rivera's a similar guy. Did he pilot a hell of a D? yeah. But then he gets let go. And goes to a 3-4. So you have to explain away what this 3-4 shit was about. Rivera's not the other young minority candidate, though - Leslie Frazier.

Frazier's a MN guy, replaced Tomlin. You don't think of MN as a c2 team, but they are. They're also very, very talented. So you're not buying into the system - maybe that's good, maybe you go hire a good DC. But when you're leading with "I'm a defensive guy", you like to know you're buying into what you've seen.

WP28 likes Brian Vangorder, and I do too, but not as much. He's green, but I also don't know that the jacksonville plan is what we want to buy into. Still, he's a young guy with some ability, and if you hire a vet OC and a QBs coach with a wild streak in him, you have some things.

I don't buy into guys like Kirk Ferentz. I don't have any great college coach recommenations. There aren't many at all. So many guys who had a shot at making Pro a few years ago cooled off.

And then you have a guy like Russ Grimm. IS he storied? Yeah. Did he have a lot of success in PITT, yeah. You could say he had a lot to do with adding toughness in AZ. But that line isn't good. He might be a big part of them doing well but his line and the running game isn't. But we do like Pittsburgh guys, so who knows.

One assistant I'd love to see on in some capacity would be Dewayne Walker, the UCLA DC. Walker has some background with NFL guys, runs a solid defense. If you hired a vet with an offensive background, I like him.

On the vets-
I can deal with Cowher, but you have to make good assistant hires - he's got a ton of experience going and getting great hires and making it work. But look at a lot of them after. And right now you're talking about the available guys from his past are Haslett and Gailey.

Gruden is interesting, because he could turn the O around, he could stay in line with the defense for continuity, and he's a yeller. He'd work well with our stars and find us a QB. Sound good? Sure. What did he have to do with that defense? Nothing. How good was his team after Kiffin announced he was leaving? Terrible. I still feel like his team quit on him and there's no question that the rah-rah shit stopped working after a while. You could team Gru with Dick Jauron and that might be OK.

Shanahan in theory sounds great. As a matter of fact put him in with Wade Phillips somewhere and you're rolling. But fact is, he's gone through a ton of DCs. His legacy toward the end was that he was able to escape firing for so long. And there are some, somehow, that contend that Kubiak was a big part of his success, not the other way around. Would Alex Gibbs hire along? He's from Mt Airy.

Dungy I like a lot because it makes some sense for JR. But he'd have to make some great hires on offense, and I don't think much of that's available.

Holmgren himself is interesting, though I'm not impressed with him even with a good QB the last few years. You could put together a staff with him easily - he's got background with Haskell, Zorn, Jauron, Blache. I'm OK with Zorn as a QBs coach and Cameron showed you can be a coaching abortion and go back to being a good assistant. But I think the 'fit' is more that I can think of a lot of assistants he'd pair with than that Holmgren has it to coach another ten years. Again, you'd have to be good with the WCO. JR supposedly wanted to hire him ten years ago and he wasn't able to.

I'll think of some more guys soon. I haven't taken much time to think about it yet.

 

you remember that 08 year where we wanted some rushers and people were giving out $8 mil a year to guys who weren't that good, and $6 mil to guys who weren't starting?

I dunno. Doesn't matter - my issue is mostly with Campbell.

 

I don't think of the Jets as a powerhouse.



One offensive type name I should add - Jim Harbaugh. He's piloted the Cardinal to about as good a program as you can expect, he's obviously a charismatic young guy with some offensive ability, but he's not a coordinator or guru. So he's not going to call his own plays or micromanage.


He's a guy who learned the best from the same guy that John did - from their dad, who was a master. He's gone through the interview process with the Jets. He's got a ton of pro contacts, so he can talk to you about getting anyone because he's got experience with plenty of coaches.

 

Didn't Jim Harbaugh suit up for the Panthers for a game or two before he retired?

 

Marty Schottenheimer could stay at his dads house at the lake....

 

That was my thinking. I like Fox. If we switch, I'd want a coach like him, just better. Same with QB, fwiw.

 

Yeah. Guys who make decisions tend to over-react in one of two ways - go with the latest fad or simply go in the opposite of what you had last.

Going with another 4-3 guy is obviously a plus. Going with another guy who wants to run the ball is obviously a no-brainer.

Which is why I can't fault Davidson's faults for those who liked Henning, except they're the same guy.